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| | | Author: | rprebel  | | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 20:42 | | Subject: | Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 229 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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| | | | | Author: | SirIceCream1001 | | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 20:46 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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It is against the tos
Set up a minimum buy or raise your prices
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| | | | | Author: | edk | | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 20:47 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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Simple solution is to raise your prices by 4% and done.
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| | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 21:22 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, edk writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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Simple solution is to raise your prices by 4% and done.
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Or just add $0.50 to S&H
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| | | | | Author: | rprebel | | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 21:02 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| People keep telling me it's against the rules. Which rule, and where is it
written? I looked but couldn't find it and I'm not going to be bothered
by some unwritten rule.
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| | | | | | | Author: | rprebel | | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 21:48 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| | Thank you. I've closed the store until i can figure out what i want to do. |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 21:49 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Thank you. I've closed the store until i can figure out what i want to do.
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best of luck! if you need any help feel free to ask the forum
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Retrofire | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 00:50 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Thank you. I've closed the store until i can figure out what i want to do.
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best of luck! if you need any help feel free to ask the forum
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Am I confused? I run into min buys quite a bit as a buyer? Sellers set min buys
all the time. Are you telling me this is against the ToS?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickshopbelgie | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 05:05 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Retrofire writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Thank you. I've closed the store until i can figure out what i want to do.
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best of luck! if you need any help feel free to ask the forum
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Am I confused? I run into min buys quite a bit as a buyer? Sellers set min buys
all the time. Are you telling me this is against the ToS?
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No it's not. It is against the ToS to introduce an extra paypal fee. The
solution is to avoid the paypal fees and just set up a minimum buy for the store
so you don't loose money on the very small orders because each seller has
to pay some taxes and fees to bricklink and paypal. For the buyer this is a very
clear solution, they can see the minimum buy from the beginning and so they don't
get surprised at the end when they are going to finalize and pay for the order.
Kind Regards.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Sep 16, 2024 00:13 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Retrofire writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Thank you. I've closed the store until i can figure out what i want to do.
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best of luck! if you need any help feel free to ask the forum
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Am I confused? I run into min buys quite a bit as a buyer? Sellers set min buys
all the time. Are you telling me this is against the ToS?
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Minimum buys are 100% fine. Just the fees are not
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 07:10 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| Go to your store settings, shipping and add a 50 cent handling fee to each shipping
method you have (it's under Insurance & Additional Charges). Make sure you
disclose the handling fee in your terms.
In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Thank you. I've closed the store until i can figure out what i want to do.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Sep 18, 2024 04:44 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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yes its against bricklink rules.
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I don't read anything on BrickLink ToS regarding PayPal fees.
What BrickLink says is that you have to abide to the laws of your country.
So, if in your country PayPal fees are permitted you are both within the ToS
of PayPal and BrickLink's.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Sep 18, 2024 12:41 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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yes its against bricklink rules.
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I don't read anything on BrickLink ToS regarding PayPal fees.
What BrickLink says is that you have to abide to the laws of your country.
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Indeed, but in many countries it’s not allowed to charge said fee
| | So, if in your country PayPal fees are permitted you are both within the ToS
of PayPal and BrickLink's.
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Yes but only if the seller and the buyer are both located within a country where
it’s permitted
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| | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 02:47 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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The rule is in PayPal's ToS for your country. Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 10:54 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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The rule is in PayPal's ToS for your country. Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
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While it is against the TOS from BL/PayPal they are obviously not enforced. I
think 90% of the 1200 shops in The Netherlands charge fees for the use of PayPal.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 11:02 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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The rule is in PayPal's ToS for your country. Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
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While it is against the TOS from BL/PayPal they are obviously not enforced. I
think 90% of the 1200 shops in The Netherlands charge fees for the use of PayPal.
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PayPal has your ID, if you're cought you're personnaly and your eventual
company banned from PayPal for life.
And of course if reported your shop will be closed for a discussion with BrickLink
administration that can take weeks.
Is it worth it?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 11:56 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
|
The rule is in PayPal's ToS for your country. Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
|
While it is against the TOS from BL/PayPal they are obviously not enforced. I
think 90% of the 1200 shops in The Netherlands charge fees for the use of PayPal.
|
PayPal has your ID, if you're cought you're personnaly and your eventual
company banned from PayPal for life.
And of course if reported your shop will be closed for a discussion with BrickLink
administration that can take weeks.
Is it worth it?
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Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 11:59 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
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The rule is in PayPal's ToS for your country. Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
|
While it is against the TOS from BL/PayPal they are obviously not enforced. I
think 90% of the 1200 shops in The Netherlands charge fees for the use of PayPal.
|
PayPal has your ID, if you're cought you're personnaly and your eventual
company banned from PayPal for life.
And of course if reported your shop will be closed for a discussion with BrickLink
administration that can take weeks.
Is it worth it?
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Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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Because nobody there is reading one by one the 15000 shops terms, that'd
be crazy (and to redo to any terms change).
So they're waiting users to report.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 12:33 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
|
The rule is in PayPal's ToS for your country. Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
|
While it is against the TOS from BL/PayPal they are obviously not enforced. I
think 90% of the 1200 shops in The Netherlands charge fees for the use of PayPal.
|
PayPal has your ID, if you're cought you're personnaly and your eventual
company banned from PayPal for life.
And of course if reported your shop will be closed for a discussion with BrickLink
administration that can take weeks.
Is it worth it?
|
Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 13:20 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | | | Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
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Could you find a PayPal page stating this, that'd be interesting!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 13:37 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
|
The rule is in PayPal's ToS for your country. Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
|
While it is against the TOS from BL/PayPal they are obviously not enforced. I
think 90% of the 1200 shops in The Netherlands charge fees for the use of PayPal.
|
PayPal has your ID, if you're cought you're personnaly and your eventual
company banned from PayPal for life.
And of course if reported your shop will be closed for a discussion with BrickLink
administration that can take weeks.
Is it worth it?
|
Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
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There is a law in the Netherlands (and I believe in the rest of the EU too) that
states that sellers are not allowed to discriminate between certain payment methods.
In other words: whether you as a consumer want to pay cash or with credit card
or with Paypal or whatever: the price must be the same for each method. The costs
are for the seller.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Leftoverbricks | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 13:47 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, rprebel writes:
| | Someone requested a quote from my store. I filled out the form and sent the quote,
and now they're telling me I need to remove the PayPal fee because it violates
bricklink's ToS. I couldn't find anything which agrees with that assessment
so I thought I'd ask here.
If it is against the ToS, let me say that makes no sense. How is a seller supposed
to allow small sales when they're not allowed to pass on a flat 50 cent transaction
fee? I would lose money on any sale less than that, and that's if I got the
parts for free!
Please advise. Thank you.
|
The rule is in PayPal's ToS for your country. Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
|
While it is against the TOS from BL/PayPal they are obviously not enforced. I
think 90% of the 1200 shops in The Netherlands charge fees for the use of PayPal.
|
PayPal has your ID, if you're cought you're personnaly and your eventual
company banned from PayPal for life.
And of course if reported your shop will be closed for a discussion with BrickLink
administration that can take weeks.
Is it worth it?
|
Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
|
PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
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There is a law in the Netherlands (and I believe in the rest of the EU too) that
states that sellers are not allowed to discriminate between certain payment methods.
In other words: whether you as a consumer want to pay cash or with credit card
or with Paypal or whatever: the price must be the same for each method. The costs
are for the seller.
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https://ondernemersplein.kvk.nl/betaalmethodes-voor-uw-webshop/
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 14:10 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Leftoverbricks writes:
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There is a law in the Netherlands (and I believe in the rest of the EU too) that
states that sellers are not allowed to discriminate between certain payment methods.
In other words: whether you as a consumer want to pay cash or with credit card
or with Paypal or whatever: the price must be the same for each method. The costs
are for the seller.
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IIRC, the EU directive is that you can’t charge more than the cost.
Otherwise, France has (and have had for a long time) the same law: you can’t
charge a fee for a given payment method.
… But you can offer a discount 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 13:55 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | | | Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
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I found it, as per PayPal Terms, you can't surcharge more than what you'll
do for the other payment methods:
https://www.paypal.com/nl/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=nl_NL
In short, IBAN free and PayPal surcharged isn't possible.
Thus it could be allowed for a shop only accepting PayPal - like "tiny shops".
(translated by Firefox)
Rules regarding surcharges
PayPal discourages surcharges because it is a commercial practice that can detrie
the customer and lead to unnecessary confusion, irritation and early cancellation
of the payment process.
You may only charge a fee for the use of our services in accordance with laws
that apply to you. Such fees should not exceed the surcharges you charge for
using other payment methods.
If you charge a surcharge to the buyer, it is up to you (and not to us) to inform
the buyer of the requested surcharge. We are not liable if you have not informed
the buyer about a surcharge. You acknowledge that you may commit a criminal
offence if you do not disclose a surcharge and/or a surcharge (in any form) to
the buyer.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 15, 2024 14:18 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
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I found it, as per PayPal Terms, you can't surcharge more than what you'll
do for the other payment methods:
https://www.paypal.com/nl/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=nl_NL
In short, IBAN free and PayPal surcharged isn't possible.
Thus it could be allowed for a shop only accepting PayPal - like "tiny shops".
(translated by Firefox)
Rules regarding surcharges
PayPal discourages surcharges because it is a commercial practice that can detrie
the customer and lead to unnecessary confusion, irritation and early cancellation
of the payment process.
You may only charge a fee for the use of our services in accordance with laws
that apply to you. Such fees should not exceed the surcharges you charge for
using other payment methods.
If you charge a surcharge to the buyer, it is up to you (and not to us) to inform
the buyer of the requested surcharge. We are not liable if you have not informed
the buyer about a surcharge. You acknowledge that you may commit a criminal
offence if you do not disclose a surcharge and/or a surcharge (in any form) to
the buyer.
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Beware.
PayPal says this in French:
“Vous devez traiter PayPal comme un mode de paiement ou une marque au moins à
égalité avec tout autre mode de paiement proposé dans vos points de vente, y
compris sur vos sites ou vos applications mobiles. Cela comprend au moins à égalité
ou sensiblement similaire :
— L'emplacement du logo
— La visibilité dans un point de vente quel qu'il soit
— Le traitement en termes de flux de paiement, conditions, restrictions ou frais,
dans chaque cas par rapport aux autres marques et modes de paiement dans vos
points de vente
Dans les communications avec vos clients ou dans vos communications publiques,
vous ne devez pas dénigrer le mode de paiement PayPal, ni manifester une préférence
pour d'autres modes de paiement par rapport à PayPal.”
That is illegal and therefore void in France.
https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000035430414/2018-01-13
Just to say that you can’t trust terms….
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
Oui mais "Les prestataires de services de paiement" est-ce que ça concerne
les banques luxembourgeoises ?
D'autant qu'on lit sur les termes PayPal:
Les présentes Conditions d'utilisation et la relation qui nous lie sont régies
par les lois du Grand-Duché de Luxembourg.
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Si vous agissez au nom d'une entreprise, vous acceptez de vous soumettre
à la compétence non exclusive des tribunaux de la ville de Luxembourg.
Bref, en tant que pro...
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
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Oui mais "Les prestataires de services de paiement" est-ce que ça concerne
les banques luxembourgeoises ?
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Bien sûr !
Trust me, IANAL 
| | D'autant qu'on lit sur les termes PayPal:
Les présentes Conditions d'utilisation et la relation qui nous lie sont régies
par les lois du Grand-Duché de Luxembourg.
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Si vous agissez au nom d'une entreprise, vous acceptez de vous soumettre
à la compétence non exclusive des tribunaux de la ville de Luxembourg.
Bref, en tant que pro...
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Je te dis de ne pas croire les termes et tu me cites les termes ? 🙃
Si c’est le droit Luxembourgeois qui s’applique en UE pourquoi est-ce que les
termes sont différents dans les pays de l’UE, hein ? Ah, ha !
Donc le droit français s’applique en France et basta les mégabeurks !
(Sinon, ouais, le droit international, David contre Goliath, théorie contre pratique,
etc.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Sep 17, 2024 16:55 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | | | Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
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I found it, as per PayPal Terms, you can't surcharge more than what you'll
do for the other payment methods:
https://www.paypal.com/nl/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=nl_NL
In short, IBAN free and PayPal surcharged isn't possible.
Thus it could be allowed for a shop only accepting PayPal - like "tiny shops".
(translated by Firefox)
Rules regarding surcharges
PayPal discourages surcharges because it is a commercial practice that can detrie
the customer and lead to unnecessary confusion, irritation and early cancellation
of the payment process.
You may only charge a fee for the use of our services in accordance with laws
that apply to you. Such fees should not exceed the surcharges you charge for
using other payment methods.
If you charge a surcharge to the buyer, it is up to you (and not to us) to inform
the buyer of the requested surcharge. We are not liable if you have not informed
the buyer about a surcharge. You acknowledge that you may commit a criminal
offence if you do not disclose a surcharge and/or a surcharge (in any form) to
the buyer.
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PayPal rules are different in Portugal. The first paragraph is the same. But
the other two paragraphs are absent. Only a small line saying that the user shouldn't
charge paypal fees.
Paypal doesn't forbid, only advise against (as I've confirmed many times
with several interactions with PayPal along these years).
1st image: PayPal TOS for Portugal;
2nd image: PayPal TOS for Netherlands.
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| In Terms and Policies, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | | | Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
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I found it, as per PayPal Terms, you can't surcharge more than what you'll
do for the other payment methods:
https://www.paypal.com/nl/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=nl_NL
In short, IBAN free and PayPal surcharged isn't possible.
Thus it could be allowed for a shop only accepting PayPal - like "tiny shops".
(translated by Firefox)
Rules regarding surcharges
PayPal discourages surcharges because it is a commercial practice that can detrie
the customer and lead to unnecessary confusion, irritation and early cancellation
of the payment process.
You may only charge a fee for the use of our services in accordance with laws
that apply to you. Such fees should not exceed the surcharges you charge for
using other payment methods.
If you charge a surcharge to the buyer, it is up to you (and not to us) to inform
the buyer of the requested surcharge. We are not liable if you have not informed
the buyer about a surcharge. You acknowledge that you may commit a criminal
offence if you do not disclose a surcharge and/or a surcharge (in any form) to
the buyer.
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PayPal rules are different in Portugal. The first paragraph is the same. But
the other two paragraphs are absent. Only a small line saying that the user shouldn't
charge paypal fees.
Paypal doesn't forbid, only advise against (as I've confirmed many times
with several interactions with PayPal along these years).
1st image: PayPal TOS for Portugal;
2nd image: PayPal TOS for Netherlands.
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but that would only apply if you only sell within your own country if I'm
not mistaken. but if you ship to other countries that it isn't allowed then
from what I understand you have to follow their rules (USA with California's
rule being a big one)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Sep 18, 2024 04:39 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | | | Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
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PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
|
I found it, as per PayPal Terms, you can't surcharge more than what you'll
do for the other payment methods:
https://www.paypal.com/nl/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=nl_NL
In short, IBAN free and PayPal surcharged isn't possible.
Thus it could be allowed for a shop only accepting PayPal - like "tiny shops".
(translated by Firefox)
Rules regarding surcharges
PayPal discourages surcharges because it is a commercial practice that can detrie
the customer and lead to unnecessary confusion, irritation and early cancellation
of the payment process.
You may only charge a fee for the use of our services in accordance with laws
that apply to you. Such fees should not exceed the surcharges you charge for
using other payment methods.
If you charge a surcharge to the buyer, it is up to you (and not to us) to inform
the buyer of the requested surcharge. We are not liable if you have not informed
the buyer about a surcharge. You acknowledge that you may commit a criminal
offence if you do not disclose a surcharge and/or a surcharge (in any form) to
the buyer.
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PayPal rules are different in Portugal. The first paragraph is the same. But
the other two paragraphs are absent. Only a small line saying that the user shouldn't
charge paypal fees.
Paypal doesn't forbid, only advise against (as I've confirmed many times
with several interactions with PayPal along these years).
1st image: PayPal TOS for Portugal;
2nd image: PayPal TOS for Netherlands.
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but that would only apply if you only sell within your own country if I'm
not mistaken. but if you ship to other countries that it isn't allowed then
from what I understand you have to follow their rules (USA with California's
rule being a big one)
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No. The rules apply everywhere.
https://www.paypal.com/pt/legalhub/useragreement-full#receive-payment1
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Sep 18, 2024 12:40 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, hpoort writes:
| | | | Agreed, my shop doesn't charge fees but thousands of shops are in violation.
Why is BL not reacting?
|
PayPal's terms are different per country; in the USA it is against their
ToS, in NL the rules are different so I believe you are not in violation for
this.
|
I found it, as per PayPal Terms, you can't surcharge more than what you'll
do for the other payment methods:
https://www.paypal.com/nl/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=nl_NL
In short, IBAN free and PayPal surcharged isn't possible.
Thus it could be allowed for a shop only accepting PayPal - like "tiny shops".
(translated by Firefox)
Rules regarding surcharges
PayPal discourages surcharges because it is a commercial practice that can detrie
the customer and lead to unnecessary confusion, irritation and early cancellation
of the payment process.
You may only charge a fee for the use of our services in accordance with laws
that apply to you. Such fees should not exceed the surcharges you charge for
using other payment methods.
If you charge a surcharge to the buyer, it is up to you (and not to us) to inform
the buyer of the requested surcharge. We are not liable if you have not informed
the buyer about a surcharge. You acknowledge that you may commit a criminal
offence if you do not disclose a surcharge and/or a surcharge (in any form) to
the buyer.
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PayPal rules are different in Portugal. The first paragraph is the same. But
the other two paragraphs are absent. Only a small line saying that the user shouldn't
charge paypal fees.
Paypal doesn't forbid, only advise against (as I've confirmed many times
with several interactions with PayPal along these years).
1st image: PayPal TOS for Portugal;
2nd image: PayPal TOS for Netherlands.
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but that would only apply if you only sell within your own country if I'm
not mistaken. but if you ship to other countries that it isn't allowed then
from what I understand you have to follow their rules (USA with California's
rule being a big one)
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No. The rules apply everywhere.
https://www.paypal.com/pt/legalhub/useragreement-full#receive-payment1
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So you’re saying PayPal rules override laws in other countries? Or am I misunderstanding
what your saying (I probably am)
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| In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
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So you’re saying PayPal rules override laws in other countries? Or am I misunderstanding
what your saying (I probably am)
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First, it’s the seller who has a contract with PayPal for receiving money. Everything
in PayPal’s terms applying to what a seller can do obviously only applies to
the seller.
Then, it’s not a general choice between (only buyer’s country laws and PP’s terms)
OR (only seller’s country laws).
If you’re a seller and something is forbidden in your country, you can’t do it.
If something is forbidden in your buyer’s country, then it depends on how they
apply to foreign sellers (extraterritoriality / import) and/or marketplaces.
(Only talking about what’s fordidden because laws generally don’t authorize things.
The only explicitely authorized things are exceptions or clarifications to what
is forbidden.)
So PayPal’s terms for Portuguese sellers apply to Portuguese sellers. As for
California’s laws, that depends on how they are written….
(Disclaimer: miaou 😼)
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
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So you’re saying PayPal rules override laws in other countries? Or am I misunderstanding
what your saying (I probably am)
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First, it’s the seller who has a contract with PayPal for receiving money. Everything
in PayPal’s terms applying to what a seller can do obviously only applies to
the seller.
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Indeed but if the seller is charging fees that the buyer is “protected” from
having to pay then even if PayPal is “fine” with sellers charging them since
it’s “fine” in the sellers country then it still isn’t “fine” in the buyers country
so the seller if they want to sell to that country should probably still have
to follow the rules of said country
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Then, it’s not a general choice between (only buyer’s country laws and PP’s terms)
OR (only seller’s country laws).
If you’re a seller and something is forbidden in your country, you can’t do it.
If something is forbidden in your buyer’s country, then it depends on how they
apply to foreign sellers (extraterritoriality / import) and/or marketplaces.
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From the laws I’ve read it usually dosent seem to provide any exemption to international
sellers, it usually just says things about how the resident should see a price
online and there be no other fees beyond shipping and tax
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(Only talking about what’s fordidden because laws generally don’t authorize things.
The only explicitely authorized things are exceptions or clarifications to what
is forbidden.)
So PayPal’s terms for Portuguese sellers apply to Portuguese sellers. As for
California’s laws, that depends on how they are written….
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It Includes a line that says “Put simply, the price a Californian sees should
be the price they pay.” on the official government website. Which seems to “mean”
prices anywhere that Californians see and Dosent exclude sellers who sell to
California but are located outside don’t seem to be exempt
A spooky cat!
(Cough cough I’ve mostly just read on the California one and I may also be a
cat so this isn’t legal advise  )
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Sep 18, 2024 15:03 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
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Indeed but if the seller is charging fees that the buyer is “protected” from
having to pay then even if PayPal is “fine” with sellers charging them since
it’s “fine” in the sellers country then it still isn’t “fine” in the buyers country
so the seller if they want to sell to that country should probably still have
to follow the rules of said country
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Only if the law that protects the buyer applies to the foreign seller.
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From the laws I’ve read it usually dosent seem to provide any exemption to international
sellers, it usually just says things about how the resident should see a price
online and there be no other fees beyond shipping and tax
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Yeah, but extraterritoriality is complicated.
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It Includes a line that says “Put simply, the price a Californian sees should
be the price they pay.” on the official government website. Which seems to “mean”
prices anywhere that Californians see and Dosent exclude sellers who sell to
California but are located outside don’t seem to be exempt
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Well, for a long time now, laws in EU have said the price should include everything
too (and even VAT). And they neither say “non-EU sellers too” nor “non-EU sellers
exempted,” but your Canadian prices still don’t include French VAT for me even
though I have to pay it, and often directly to BL. And BL never enforced anything
about lot and percentage handling fees.
What I mean is that the articles about that rule don’t say anything about non-EU
sellers… but there’s a lot of other laws and rules that apply too and there must
be one that says non-EU sellers can do that.
Maybe it’s the same with that Californian law, maybe not.
(The new tax schemes worldwide are very clear on whom they applied to and how
(in/out of marketplaces, warehouses in/out of EU, etc.), but then they are specifically
for imports / cross state lines.)
BL is in the USA, with offices in California, so if the law applies to BL and/or
BL sellers, BL should know before us 😸
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Sep 18, 2024 15:07 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
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Indeed but if the seller is charging fees that the buyer is “protected” from
having to pay then even if PayPal is “fine” with sellers charging them since
it’s “fine” in the sellers country then it still isn’t “fine” in the buyers country
so the seller if they want to sell to that country should probably still have
to follow the rules of said country
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Only if the law that protects the buyer applies to the foreign seller.
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From the laws I’ve read it usually dosent seem to provide any exemption to international
sellers, it usually just says things about how the resident should see a price
online and there be no other fees beyond shipping and tax
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Yeah, but extraterritoriality is complicated.
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indeed
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| | BL is in the USA, with offices in California, so if the law applies to BL and/or
BL sellers, BL should know before us 😸
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Bricklink doesn't exactly move "at light speed" when it comes to
stuff like that
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| In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
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| | BL is in the USA, with offices in California, so if the law applies to BL and/or
BL sellers, BL should know before us 😸
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Bricklink doesn't exactly move "at light speed" when it comes to
stuff like that
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But they said they caught up, and are now fully compliant, with everything! 🙀
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
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| | BL is in the USA, with offices in California, so if the law applies to BL and/or
BL sellers, BL should know before us 😸
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Bricklink doesn't exactly move "at light speed" when it comes to
stuff like that
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But they said they caught up, and are now fully compliant, with everything! 🙀
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"everything" is quite a lot! 😅😅
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| Actually that's not what it says.
It says you have to follow the laws of your country. It says nothing about having
to satisfy the contracts you might be involved in with third parties. (see 1.2.11)
While it does use the word 'rules', the entire section is under a header
of 'Compliance with Laws'. Since only governments can make laws, this
informs us that the paragraph is referring to the 'rules' of your country.
From a logical standpoint it is impossible for Bricklink to decide or determine
if you are complying with a contract you might be engaged in with a company like
PayPal for example. Whether or not the contract is being fulfilled is between
yourself and PayPal. If you and PayPal can't come to an agreement then a
court decides. But it is not appropriate for Bricklink to simply declare that
you are in violation of a contract with some other company.
1.2.11
Compliance with Laws: You as a Seller agree to comply with all applicable laws,
rules and regulations, including without limitation all laws regarding ecommerce,
distance selling, consumer protection, commercial electronic messages, privacy,
disclosures that must be made to Buyers in advance of a sale (including without
limitation the terms and conditions applicable to each sale), affording Buyers
the right to review, accept and reject such disclosures, and providing to Buyers
copies of the terms and conditions of sale.
| | ... Bricklink's ToS just say
you have to abide by the external rules too, such as laws and contracts of third
parties such as PayPal.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Sep 16, 2024 06:34 | | Subject: | Re: Is it okay to charge a PayPal fee? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Bailey writes:
| | From a logical standpoint it is impossible for Bricklink to decide or determine
if you are complying with a contract you might be engaged in with a company like
PayPal for example.
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It's not at all impossible when you state your non-compliance in your BL
store's terms or in an invoice sent to a BL buyer.
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yourself and PayPal. If you and PayPal can't come to an agreement then a
court decides. But it is not appropriate for Bricklink to simply declare that
you are in violation of a contract with some other company.
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Why not? Especially given BL's relationship with PayPal.
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USA, Texas
Canada, Ontario
Belgium
Portugal
Netherlands, Groningen
France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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