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| | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 08:06 | Subject: | Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 264 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
Note that the grouping is neither the Average nor the Quantity Average.
NR
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| | | | Author: | Andy_Bell | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 08:25 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 62 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
Note that the grouping is neither the Average nor the Quantity Average.
NR
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Using the sold averages - which is what people actually paid vs what people want
to sell for - eliminates some (but not all) of these error and anomolies.
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| | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 08:44 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 61 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
Many times pointed out in requested changes, never followed through unfortunately
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| | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 08:50 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 62 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
Many times pointed out in requested changes, never followed through unfortunately
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I'm not sure what out of boundaries would mean though?
One easy way of mitigating this issue would be to remove both the highest and
lowest prices before calculating the average.
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 09:26 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 44 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, peregrinator writes:
| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
Many times pointed out in requested changes, never followed through unfortunately
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I'm not sure what out of boundaries would mean though?
One easy way of mitigating this issue would be to remove both the highest and
lowest prices before calculating the average.
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Or use the median, which this add-on does along with a bunch o other useful features:
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/bricktinker/pikfjcohcfpohlckdhdggpcpfdkekomf?hl=en
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Braydensbricks | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 09:38 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 39 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, zorbanj writes:
| In Price Guide, peregrinator writes:
| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
Many times pointed out in requested changes, never followed through unfortunately
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I'm not sure what out of boundaries would mean though?
One easy way of mitigating this issue would be to remove both the highest and
lowest prices before calculating the average.
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Or use the median, which this add-on does along with a bunch o other useful features:
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/bricktinker/pikfjcohcfpohlckdhdggpcpfdkekomf?hl=en
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I will definitely be using this, thank you!
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 10:27 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, peregrinator writes:
| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
Many times pointed out in requested changes, never followed through unfortunately
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I'm not sure what out of boundaries would mean though?
One easy way of mitigating this issue would be to remove both the highest and
lowest prices before calculating the average.
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A seller just has to list two lots (or more) if they want to skew the average.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 11:32 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 25 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, yorbrick writes:
| In Price Guide, peregrinator writes:
| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
Many times pointed out in requested changes, never followed through unfortunately
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I'm not sure what out of boundaries would mean though?
One easy way of mitigating this issue would be to remove both the highest and
lowest prices before calculating the average.
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A seller just has to list two lots (or more) if they want to skew the average.
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That would be a poor choice, and could suggest that the seller is intentionally
manipulating the averages. Moving towards a quantitative display instead of numerical
averages, would nip that in the bud.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | Ziegelmeister | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 11:16 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 27 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, peregrinator writes:
| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
Many times pointed out in requested changes, never followed through unfortunately
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I'm not sure what out of boundaries would mean though?
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Probably means the outliers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 12:01 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, Ziegelmeister writes:
| In Price Guide, peregrinator writes:
| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
Many times pointed out in requested changes, never followed through unfortunately
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I'm not sure what out of boundaries would mean though?
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Probably means the outliers.
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That one indeed
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| | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 11:20 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
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No, but displaying the data in a better way, means that numbers with no basis
in reality, will (effectively) vanish. Sellers must patrol their own numbers,
and not depend on good Samaritans. Better tools are needed to help all sellers
accomplish this task.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | Ziegelmeister | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 11:34 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
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No, but displaying the data in a better way, means that numbers with no basis
in reality, will (effectively) vanish. Sellers must patrol their own numbers,
and not depend on good Samaritans. Better tools are needed to help all sellers
accomplish this task.
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Back when I started someone reached out to me when I missed a decimal and priced
something around $8000 instead of $80. Since then I've done the same - especially
when they price something for $0.80 instead of $80. It just takes a minute to
message them.
There are a handful of parts/figs where I want so badly to reach out to sellers
and tell them they can easily charge 25-30% more due to growing scarcity but
that would be price manipulation and borderline collusion.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 11:48 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 26 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, Ziegelmeister writes:
| In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That works fine, but doesn't eliminate or prevent the errors....
Out-of-boundaries priced items should be removed from this calculation by BL.
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No, but displaying the data in a better way, means that numbers with no basis
in reality, will (effectively) vanish. Sellers must patrol their own numbers,
and not depend on good Samaritans. Better tools are needed to help all sellers
accomplish this task.
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Back when I started someone reached out to me when I missed a decimal and priced
something around $8000 instead of $80. Since then I've done the same - especially
when they price something for $0.80 instead of $80. It just takes a minute to
message them.
There are a handful of parts/figs where I want so badly to reach out to sellers
and tell them they can easily charge 25-30% more due to growing scarcity but
that would be price manipulation and borderline collusion.
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The vast majority of my uploads are done via an XML file. When I submit the XML
for verification, down at the bottom it tells me the dollar total of what I'm
uploading. I guarantee you that if I made the error you describe, I would catch
it right there (and obviously not finish the upload).
NR
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| | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 10:20 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 66 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| On a similar vein (from a reddit discussion):
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6020#T=P&C=88
Last 6 Months Sales:
Max Price US $3,072.37
In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
Note that the grouping is neither the Average nor the Quantity Average.
NR
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| | | | | | | | Author: | Braydensbricks | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 11:28 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 41 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, zorbanj writes:
| On a similar vein (from a reddit discussion):
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6020#T=P&C=88
Last 6 Months Sales:
Max Price US $3,072.37
In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
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I was the one that posted about this one... I don't understand how that
could happen lol
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Note that the grouping is neither the Average nor the Quantity Average.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 13:18 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 83 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, Braydensbricks writes:
| In Price Guide, zorbanj writes:
| On a similar vein (from a reddit discussion):
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6020#T=P&C=88
Last 6 Months Sales:
Max Price US $3,072.37
In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
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I was the one that posted about this one... I don't understand how that
could happen lol
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It has been taken care of. Please report things like this to us when you see
them. As you can imagine, it was not a real order.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | ScubaSteve | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 13:41 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 52 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| In Price Guide, Braydensbricks writes:
| In Price Guide, zorbanj writes:
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Also review 21325. A set listed @ $33,297.98 when an average price should around
early/mid $300.00. Thanks
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In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
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I was the one that posted about this one... I don't understand how that
could happen lol
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It has been taken care of. Please report things like this to us when you see
them. As you can imagine, it was not a real order.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Braydensbricks | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 14:11 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 67 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| In Price Guide, Braydensbricks writes:
| In Price Guide, zorbanj writes:
| On a similar vein (from a reddit discussion):
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6020#T=P&C=88
Last 6 Months Sales:
Max Price US $3,072.37
In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
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I was the one that posted about this one... I don't understand how that
could happen lol
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It has been taken care of. Please report things like this to us when you see
them. As you can imagine, it was not a real order.
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I figured, thank you and I will report these from now on!
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| | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 11:28 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
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https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=32534&idColor=77#T=P&C=77
I wasn't trying to point a finger at one seller, I was trying to illustrate
why simple averages can be easily broken by one poor data entry. A very long
time ago, I read a book that has much to do with why I believe in visual displays
over numerical averages.
NR
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| | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 12:05 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| Indeed, it's not the symptom that needs fixed, the cause needs to be fixed.
Like the Chrome extension provides: usage of the mean values instead of average
might be a BIG improvement and probably not too difficult to create ?
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Aug 12, 2024 13:28 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 48 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| Indeed, it's not the symptom that needs fixed, the cause needs to be fixed.
Like the Chrome extension provides: usage of the mean values instead of average
might be a BIG improvement and probably not too difficult to create ?
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I would happily settle for a way to export (in XML or similar) the values I see
when I'm looking at a PG long form page. That would give me the ability to
do a chart process on it.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | Posted: | Aug 13, 2024 07:22 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| That still doesn't FIX the issue but BYPASSES it.
Say you are uploading 1000 different items from BrickStore.
Then you need to do 1000 times the operation you describe.
When adding 1 set to your inventory, it will work, but for mass-uploading items,
it is a NO GO....
@BrickLink: please fix this.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Aug 14, 2024 17:12 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 41 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, StarBrick writes:
| That still doesn't FIX the issue but BYPASSES it.
Say you are uploading 1000 different items from BrickStore.
Then you need to do 1000 times the operation you describe.
When adding 1 set to your inventory, it will work, but for mass-uploading items,
it is a NO GO....
@BrickLink: please fix this.
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At the end of the day, I'm not convinced it's a BL issue (at where/why
it's happening). If my theory is correct, that the sellers are entering as
cents, and not fractional dollars, then it may be one 3rd party app that isn't
giving proper feedback as to how the number being typed is going to be handled.
A smart application will take it, clean it up (as much as is possible), then
display it in a common format that makes it explicitly clear how it will be handled.
NR
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| | | | | | Author: | SezaR | Posted: | Aug 13, 2024 17:56 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless --> trimmed mean | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
Note that the grouping is neither the Average nor the Quantity Average.
NR
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Some listings always appear to have strange outliers.
I suggest to add
"trimmed mean", i.e. "Truncated mean"
This means the mean is calculated based on the 80% of the values (prices) that
are in the middle, and so the top 10% and bottom 10% outliers are ignored. This
gives a more accurate
and stable mean and people pricing their items using truncated mean can be ascertain
their pricing is close to the real average.
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| | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Aug 14, 2024 02:14 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless --> trimmed mean | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| | I suggest to add
"trimmed mean", i.e. "Truncated mean"
This means the mean is calculated based on the 80% of the values (prices) that
are in the middle, and so the top 10% and bottom 10% outliers are ignored. This
gives a more accurate
and stable mean and people pricing their items using truncated mean can be ascertain
their pricing is close to the real average.
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This isn't more accurate, it is less accurate as it ignores 20% of the data
after sorting it. If doing that, then why not ignore 100% minus one data point
which is equivalent to using the median instead of the mean.
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| | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Aug 14, 2024 12:01 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless --> trimmed mean | Viewed: | 30 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, SezaR writes:
| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
Note that the grouping is neither the Average nor the Quantity Average.
NR
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Some listings always appear to have strange outliers.
I suggest to add
"trimmed mean", i.e. "Truncated mean"
This means the mean is calculated based on the 80% of the values (prices) that
are in the middle, and so the top 10% and bottom 10% outliers are ignored. This
gives a more accurate
and stable mean and people pricing their items using truncated mean can be ascertain
their pricing is close to the real average.
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I prefer a visual representation of the grouping, where I can see both the price
spread and the quantity offered spread.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | SezaR | Posted: | Aug 14, 2024 16:16 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless --> trimmed mean | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| In Price Guide, SezaR writes:
| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| One seller forgets to enter a decimal place, and it throws the average completely
out of whack. The chart, which I generated manually via a spreadsheet, is much
more representative of the data, and shows you immediately where the grouping
is. By manipulating the X-axis, I blew the errant entry off the right side.
Note that the grouping is neither the Average nor the Quantity Average.
NR
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Some listings always appear to have strange outliers.
I suggest to add
"trimmed mean", i.e. "Truncated mean"
This means the mean is calculated based on the 80% of the values (prices) that
are in the middle, and so the top 10% and bottom 10% outliers are ignored. This
gives a more accurate
and stable mean and people pricing their items using truncated mean can be ascertain
their pricing is close to the real average.
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I prefer a visual representation of the grouping, where I can see both the price
spread and the quantity offered spread.
NR
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That's nice but my suggestion should easily be implemented by the software
team.
Also, people can easily set price based on mean, trimmed mean,... on a huge lot
of parts using brickstore with no need to check any visual representation.
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| | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 10:41 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 37 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
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Where/How is the place designated to report prices that are wildly out of line
?
I'm trying to do that right now, but none of the choices under "Problem
Item For Sale Report" seem appropriate. Help me to do this correctly.
NR
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| | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 10:43 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
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Where/How is the place designated to report prices that are wildly out of line
?
I'm trying to do that right now, but none of the choices under "Problem
Item For Sale Report" seem appropriate. Help me to do this correctly.
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| | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 12:50 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 22 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, 1001bricks writes:
| In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
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Where/How is the place designated to report prices that are wildly out of line
?
I'm trying to do that right now, but none of the choices under "Problem
Item For Sale Report" seem appropriate. Help me to do this correctly.
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I guess in one sense, it might be thought of as frivolous. That was not my first
interpretation, but I'll go with that one and see what comes of it.
thanks !
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Sep 14, 2024 13:18 | Subject: | Re: Why PG averages are useless | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Price Guide | |
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| In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
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I guess in one sense, it might be thought of as frivolous. That was not my first
interpretation, but I'll go with that one and see what comes of it.
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You can get there from the store: click on the image of the lot, and, at the
top of the dialog, there’s a direct link to the form, with the lot ID already
filled.
And, of course, you can go to the lot in the store from the Price Guide.
So:
— see the offending lot in the PG,
— click on the flag,
— click on the image,
— click on the link,
— fill in the form,
— click on Submit Complaint.
Click click click… but no ID to memorize, and seeing the lot in the store allows
to see if there’s any note explaining the price
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| In Price Guide, cosmicray writes:
| In Price Guide, Admin_Russell writes:
| Please report things like this. What is the part number?
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Where/How is the place designated to report prices that are wildly out of line
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I'm trying to do that right now, but none of the choices under "Problem
Item For Sale Report" seem appropriate. Help me to do this correctly.
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To piggyback on this subject, and to put a slight twist on it, currently there
are no instances of this item listed in North America as NEW, nor have their
been any sales in North American as NEW. So the two I have to list are coming
in with no comps to establish a valid price range for NEW. My anticipated price
is certainly less than one USED lot, which is wildly overpriced (roughly x100).
So here we are.
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