Hello.
I bought Deadpool in March 2023 from https://store.bricklink.com/siyuan_toy?p=siyuan_toy
Was too happy and didn't worry much about strange things - loose, sound and
feelings during bulding the figure.
But today I have suddenly decided to check it again and found this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
There are results:
- parts don't fit to other figures
- non itallic style
- wrong mold
Now there are 40+ Deadpool figs in the shop marked "new but parts are loose"
I wrote to the seller but don't think he will answer me.
So what should I do?
Feel bad, Deadpoll is the only fake fig in my collection of purist and official
super heroes and villains. And now I;n living in country where Bricklink is not
working.
I understand it was my mistake because I wanted to save 30-50$. But I couldn't
belive there are fake parts on Bricklink.
But how is it possible that parts from new minifigure don't fit to any parts
from other minifigures. I hear and feel some sort of scratch. And the Deadpool's
head sits worse than my 20 years bad condition figure's head. From some torsos
it just flies out when I shake it. New head!
But how is it possible that parts from new minifigure don't fit to any parts
from other minifigures. I hear and feel some sort of scratch. And the Deadpool's
head sits worse than my 20 years bad condition figure's head. From some torsos
it just flies out when I shake it. New head!
likely the parts are from when the lego factories in China from way back when
(like 10 years ago) were making figure parts as lego outsourced some figure production
there and much of it seemed to be made at a lower quality compared to other lego.
for example many magnet sets were made there so the torso
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1418691 https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1418692
looked and felt quite different compared to normal lego parts from other factories
likely the parts are from when the lego factories in China from way back when
(like 10 years ago) were making figure parts as lego outsourced some figure production
there and much of it seemed to be made at a lower quality compared to other lego.
for example many magnet sets were made there so the torso
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1418691 https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1418692
looked and felt quite different compared to normal lego parts from other factories
likely the parts are from when the lego factories in China from way back when
(like 10 years ago) were making figure parts as lego outsourced some figure production
there and much of it seemed to be made at a lower quality compared to other lego.
for example many magnet sets were made there so the torso
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1418691 https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1418692
looked and felt quite different compared to normal lego parts from other factories
likely the parts are from when the lego factories in China from way back when
(like 10 years ago) were making figure parts as lego outsourced some figure production
there and much of it seemed to be made at a lower quality compared to other lego.
for example many magnet sets were made there so the torso
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1418691 https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1418692
looked and felt quite different compared to normal lego parts from other factories
Remember the multi-colored Friends heads?
peppridge farm remembers
Is that why they were like that? I always wondered.
But it happens only with Deadpool, other figure is OK.
I had Wolverine's torso from the same set and it is like brend new: no creaks
or loose, thin rubbers, higher quality.
And the seller has half of all new Deadpools on brickkink.
lego finds its way into the market through many means. when I open a lego set
it mentions the parts are made in multiple countries so even if from the same
set it doesn't mean the Deadpool was made in the same factory of even country
as Wolverine
lego finds its way into the market through many means. when I open a lego set
it mentions the parts are made in multiple countries so even if from the same
set it doesn't mean the Deadpool was made in the same factory of even country
as Wolverine
I need some time to think about it. Can't believe this one is official. By
the way have you noticed huge "O" on hips?
Thank you for the links. I go to sleep now, lost lots of nerve cells for the
last 4 hours
lego finds its way into the market through many means. when I open a lego set
it mentions the parts are made in multiple countries so even if from the same
set it doesn't mean the Deadpool was made in the same factory of even country
as Wolverine
I need some time to think about it. Can't believe this one is official. By
the way have you noticed huge "O" on hips?
Thank you for the links. I go to sleep now, lost lots of nerve cells for the
last 4 hours
don't know what else to tell you other then that is is real and lego can
vary quite a bit. i cant find it now but maybe someone else can but some of the
older cmf (i think might have been a different line) would have a number molded
on the hand which felt out of place and weird but it was still lego. best of
luck tho and hopefully your mind will be at ease soon
I have suspected for years, and still do suspect, that most Deadpools that have
been sold on BrickLink for a very long time have been reprints on official Lego
parts. They are REALLY good reprints, but reprints none the less. The printing
is actually more crisp than the genuine figures, and the boxes printed on the
hips are too small... Those are the obvious issues.
I bought 3 Deadpools @ I believe $7 each many years ago on BrickLink, and all
three had these printing inconsistencies and print quality issues, like smearing
of the ink on the legs. Maybe the printing differences could be explained by
figures being produced in different factories, but combining that with the quality
control issues like the smearing on the 3 out of 3 that I ordered convinced me
that they were not completely genuine. I sent them back for a refund. I should
have just kept them so I would have them as an example, but at the time I was
just upset and wanted them gone.
I bought a sealed copy of 6866 just so there can be no doubt of the legitimacy
of at least 1 of my Deadpool figs if what I suspect is ever proven to be true.
I have brought up this topic every couple years, but it never gets much traction...
But, like I said, I KNOW I have at least 1 genuine figure.
I have suspected for years, and still do suspect, that most Deadpools that have
been sold on BrickLink for a very long time have been reprints on official Lego
parts. They are REALLY good reprints, but reprints none the less. The printing
is actually more crisp than the genuine figures, and the boxes printed on the
hips are too small... Those are the obvious issues.
I bought 3 Deadpools @ I believe $7 each many years ago on BrickLink, and all
three had these printing inconsistencies and print quality issues, like smearing
of the ink on the legs. Maybe the printing differences could be explained by
figures being produced in different factories, but combining that with the quality
control issues like the smearing on the 3 out of 3 that I ordered convinced me
that they were not completely genuine. I sent them back for a refund. I should
have just kept them so I would have them as an example, but at the time I was
just upset and wanted them gone.
I bought a sealed copy of 6866 just so there can be no doubt of the legitimacy
of at least 1 of my Deadpool figs if what I suspect is ever proven to be true.
I have brought up this topic every couple years, but it never gets much traction...
But, like I said, I KNOW I have at least 1 genuine figure.
Nate
As I can see Dradpool form the sealed set is on the first photo and possible
rreprint in the second, am I right?
My Deadpool has same thin black lines on the pockets on the legs just like on
the second photo.
Thank you for the information, it is very important for me.
Correct. First photo is 100% legit, 2nd photo is questionable.
As I can see Dradpool form the sealed set is on the first photo and possible
rreprint in the second, am I right?
My Deadpool has same thin black lines on the pockets on the legs just like on
the second photo.
Thank you for the information, it is very important for me.
Correct. First photo is 100% legit, 2nd photo is questionable.
As I can see Dradpool form the sealed set is on the first photo and possible
rreprint in the second, am I right?
My Deadpool has same thin black lines on the pockets on the legs just like on
the second photo.
Thank you for the information, it is very important for me.
I have found used 6866 set in good condition in my country. Already paid for
it and waiting for delivery. Those Deadpool's prints looks like yours from
the first photo. I will upload it and my fake when I get the package.
By the way the seller answered me that Deadpool is legit. But I'm sure this
one is not from the set
Correct. First photo is 100% legit, 2nd photo is questionable.
As I can see Dradpool form the sealed set is on the first photo and possible
rreprint in the second, am I right?
My Deadpool has same thin black lines on the pockets on the legs just like on
the second photo.
Thank you for the information, it is very important for me.
I have found used 6866 set in good condition in my country. Already paid for
it and waiting for delivery. Those Deadpool's prints looks like yours from
the first photo. I will upload it and my fake when I get the package.
By the way the seller answered me that Deadpool is legit. But I'm sure this
one is not from the set
I still think your "fake" is not fake, but genuine.
Your example is listed as used. I've seen several "New" listings
where the seller has dozens of of the figure available, but none has the pauldron,
or the cape.
I don't know how you can legitimately have 54 of the same "New"
minifigure, but not the cloth parts that should have come with them, if they
came out of a set.
Is there skullduggery involved? I don't know. But I wonder.
+1
I agree bricklink should crack down on such obvious ones. If a seller has a figure
from a recently released set and has it listed with a part missing such as a
cloth part then bricklink should just need to ask for pictures of the sets they
parted out as unlike with older ones the seller should still have the box and
similar laying around if it was legitimately sourced. The thing is this would
only work for newly released sets as once one has been on the market for even
say a month most people can reasonably acquire many copies of a figure from other
legit sources or by then no longer have original packaging
I don't know how you can legitimately have 54 of the same "New"
minifigure, but not the cloth parts that should have come with them, if they
came out of a set.
One legitimate way is when one part of the minifigure has very high value compared
to the rest. Then it can be worth selling the expensive part separately to the
rest. And if it sells out first (possibly on another site), then you don't
have all the parts any more. It happened on ebay years ago and to some extent
here with figures like "Radagast with white feather" being sold, as the
tan feather was worth so much more than a cheap white one and buyers either not
noticing or caring about the difference for the figure.
There have also been cases where lego sold all the parts of a minifigure except
one on PAB/bricks and pieces.
I don't know how you can legitimately have 54 of the same "New"
minifigure, but not the cloth parts that should have come with them, if they
came out of a set.
One legitimate way is when one part of the minifigure has very high value compared
to the rest. Then it can be worth selling the expensive part separately to the
rest. And if it sells out first (possibly on another site), then you don't
have all the parts any more. It happened on ebay years ago and to some extent
here with figures like "Radagast with white feather" being sold, as the
tan feather was worth so much more than a cheap white one and buyers either not
noticing or caring about the difference for the figure.
There have also been cases where lego sold all the parts of a minifigure except
one on PAB/bricks and pieces.
Yes These are real examples to some extent but as for PAB no Rex parts have been
on it (or most of the other figures in question) and as for radagast I’m pretty
sure his plume wasn’t always so expensive so when he was newly released people
likely wouldn’t leave out his plume. As for selling 1 part separately it dosnt
really make sense in This case as every part of him is exclusive and they are
massively undercutting other listings so it’s not like they make more money this
way
If you have the feather, you probably have the whole minifigure.
You can't sell the incomplete figure on Bricklink anyway.
You can sell the incomplete figure, or the figure with the wrong colour part(s),
on bricklink if you list as a custom. And sell the rare part (in this case, the
feather) separately.
Glad they clarified the concerns brought up in that one video, but when will
Bricklink start cracking down on stuff like this?
Store gets the item removed, eventually relists it, but nothing is ever done
about minifigs being sourced from illegitimate means - the stores stay open despite
it being pretty obvious they aren't getting these minifigures from sets purchased
legitimately, which affects stores that do
$650 USD set by the way, ~60 feedback store with 10 Rex minifigs by the way..
makes sense to spend $6500
No pauldron = sourced illegitimately, likely due to the fact that the people
smuggling these minifigs out can't get their hands on capes/loose accessories
- unless, by some crazy coincidence, all 10 UCS Venators were missing the pauldrons!
This is infuriating, and it seems that they get a slap on the wrist at most when
reported
Minifigures:
Incomplete Minifigures - All minifigures, both new and used, may only be listed
if they are COMPLETE. Incomplete minifigures should be broken down and listed
as parts or listed in the Custom Items section with a custom photo and clear
description.
Minifigures:
Incomplete Minifigures - All minifigures, both new and used, may only be listed
if they are COMPLETE. Incomplete minifigures should be broken down and listed
as parts or listed in the Custom Items section with a custom photo and clear
description.
Incomplete figures are allowed to be listed as custom items though. Although
even then some BL staff still incorrectly remove them if reported.
Minifigures:
Incomplete Minifigures - All minifigures, both new and used, may only be listed
if they are COMPLETE. Incomplete minifigures should be broken down and listed
as parts or listed in the Custom Items section with a custom photo and clear
description.
Incomplete figures are allowed to be listed as custom items though. Although
even then some BL staff still incorrectly remove them if reported.
Correct. But the example UTLF send was an minifigure listing, not a custom, and
therefore should be removed.
Minifigures:
Incomplete Minifigures - All minifigures, both new and used, may only be listed
if they are COMPLETE. Incomplete minifigures should be broken down and listed
as parts or listed in the Custom Items section with a custom photo and clear
description.
Incomplete figures are allowed to be listed as custom items though. Although
even then some BL staff still incorrectly remove them if reported.
Correct. But the example UTLF send was an minifigure listing, not a custom, and
therefore should be removed.
They only get removed if reported, so report them.
My earlier point was more about legitimate/illegitimate parts. We (as in public)
simply do not know if something (whether complete or not) is from a set, bought
at a warehouse, bought from another person (and in the case of incomplete, has
kept some parts) or stolen. If they are listed incorrectly, then we can definitely
do something about it - report it. If they are suspicious, then they can also
be reported and left to BL to deal with. But they should not be called illegitimate
or stolen without any proof in the forum or elsewhere in public, especially if
linking them to someone's store. We have all seen what damage people that
don't know all the facts can do when they assume something and post here,
or post to youtube claiming they know the facts and are right.
For what it's worth, my Deadpool (real) does not look like your pictures
and it is suspicious that someone has 2/3 of all "new" "Deadpool"
figures. Even more suspicious that they all have loose parts for some reason.
Even if they are legitimate and made by Lego, I can't imagine how you would
legitimately obtain 50 brand new (but all damaged) figures that happened
to be somewhat old and pretty rare. Doesn't Lego destroy damaged stuff?
How would they escape the factory and all end up together in this seller's
hands in a legal (by Bricklink standards) fashion?
In Help, KAZINOFIVE writes:
Hello.
I bought Deadpool in March 2023 from https://store.bricklink.com/siyuan_toy?p=siyuan_toy
Was too happy and didn't worry much about strange things - loose, sound and
feelings during bulding the figure.
But today I have suddenly decided to check it again and found this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGTpGwwhN04
There are results:
- parts don't fit to other figures
- non itallic style
- wrong mold
Now there are 40+ Deadpool figs in the shop marked "new but parts are loose"
I wrote to the seller but don't think he will answer me.
So what should I do?
Feel bad, Deadpoll is the only fake fig in my collection of purist and official
super heroes and villains. And now I;n living in country where Bricklink is not
working.
I understand it was my mistake because I wanted to save 30-50$. But I couldn't
belive there are fake parts on Bricklink.
if they are all damaged it could be factory rejects. more visibly different one
can often be found on bricklink
https://store.bricklink.com/royalbrickindo?sID=628118&itemID=338539467#/shop?o={"q":"misprint","sort":6,"showHomeItems":0}
and it would surprise me if when they were being made if a production run of
say 1000 of him were damaged before a manufacturing issue was fixed and instead
of throwing them out the 1 employee asked to have them and the boss said sure.
keep in mind they are valuable now but when he was first out would have been
much cheaper
I would think even if their direct manager said it was ok, this is still against
Lego rules and the end result should be the same as what we see with the transparent
star wars figures and other improperly made or taken parts... they should not
allowed to be sold.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
if they are all damaged it could be factory rejects. more visibly different one
can often be found on bricklink
https://store.bricklink.com/royalbrickindo?sID=628118&itemID=338539467#/shop?o={"q":"misprint","sort":6,"showHomeItems":0}
and it would surprise me if when they were being made if a production run of
say 1000 of him were damaged before a manufacturing issue was fixed and instead
of throwing them out the 1 employee asked to have them and the boss said sure.
keep in mind they are valuable now but when he was first out would have been
much cheaper
I would think even if their direct manager said it was ok, this is still against
Lego rules and the end result should be the same as what we see with the transparent
star wars figures and other improperly made or taken parts... they should not
allowed to be sold.
the thing is that's slightly different as those are made for the sole purpose
of being smuggled out and sold rather then if they were made intended for sale
and got messed up during production and then given away rather then destroyed
I need to have a conversation with someone about this! There are a lot of details,
when presented together, paint a very clear picture of these figures being reprints!
This broken up forum discussion is clouding the issue!
I have presented this issue several times over the past 5 years, and it goes
nowhere. I am not going to drop it this time… This is my hill to die on!
Nate
the thing is that's slightly different as those are made for the sole purpose
of being smuggled out and sold rather then if they were made intended for sale
and got messed up during production and then given away rather then destroyed
Good! This type of thing bothers me as well. Not so much that I care about losing
sales to these dishonest people (I’m happy being a small hobby store), but it
just erodes the trust in the bricklink platform. It certainly makes me less likely
to buy anything.
The one that really gets me though is the sellers who somehow have a tons of
“new” figures from the 1980’s. And for some reason they’re all already assembled?
In Help, MadiganStation writes:
I need to have a conversation with someone about this! There are a lot of details,
when presented together, paint a very clear picture of these figures being reprints!
This broken up forum discussion is clouding the issue!
I have presented this issue several times over the past 5 years, and it goes
nowhere. I am not going to drop it this time… This is my hill to die on!
Nate
the thing is that's slightly different as those are made for the sole purpose
of being smuggled out and sold rather then if they were made intended for sale
and got messed up during production and then given away rather then destroyed
The one that really gets me though is the sellers who somehow have a tons of
“new” figures from the 1980’s. And for some reason they’re all already assembled?
I wasn’t talking about that one, but even in that case, he’s just guessing that
they’re new. He doesn’t know for sure and as such should never consider listing
them as “new”. If you don’t personally open the set, how do you know its provenance.
If any of those figs had even had the head attached, removed once to straighten,
and then put on again, it is by definition “used”.
You can certainly find plenty of other examples of questionable listings of “new”
80’s figs.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
The one that really gets me though is the sellers who somehow have a tons of
“new” figures from the 1980’s. And for some reason they’re all already assembled?
I wasn’t talking about that one, but even in that case, he’s just guessing that
they’re new. He doesn’t know for sure and as such should never consider listing
them as “new”. If you don’t personally open the set, how do you know its provenance.
If any of those figs had even had the head attached, removed once to straighten,
and then put on again, it is by definition “used”.
You can certainly find plenty of other examples of questionable listings of “new”
80’s figs.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
The one that really gets me though is the sellers who somehow have a tons of
“new” figures from the 1980’s. And for some reason they’re all already assembled?
What is the explanation for these Deadpool’s being printed on the newly discovered
unofficial/official torso’s? That is a recent development, those torsos are much
newer than 10 years old. Doesn’t add up.
likely factory overstock from way back when they were originally made/pocketed
goods which have passed hands multiple times
What is the explanation for these Deadpool’s being printed on the newly discovered
unofficial/official torso’s? That is a recent development, those torsos are much
newer than 10 years old. Doesn’t add up.
could be employees using machines after hours. they might be "illegally made"
but still genuine. (although there was a long debate on wether illegally using
a lego factory means it's still genuine) but things like this are likely
to never be 100% known from any side except the person selling and even they
might not know as they may be the 2nd or 3rd down the line from their original
origin
How did they get the print then, do they still have the print plates from 10
years ago to make these Deadpool figures? Yes, I agree that these could be legitimate
Lego parts just made in an iffy way, but the printing is what the issue is.
In Help, Nubs_Select writes:
In Help, MadiganStation writes:
What is the explanation for these Deadpool’s being printed on the newly discovered
unofficial/official torso’s? That is a recent development, those torsos are much
newer than 10 years old. Doesn’t add up.
could be employees using machines after hours. they might be "illegally made"
but still genuine. (although there was a long debate on wether illegally using
a lego factory means it's still genuine) but things like this are likely
to never be 100% known from any side except the person selling and even they
might not know as they may be the 2nd or 3rd down the line from their original
origin
How did they get the print then, do they still have the print plates from 10
years ago to make these Deadpool figures? Yes, I agree that these could be legitimate
Lego parts just made in an iffy way, but the printing is what the issue is.
I'm no expert so i may be wrong but i don't think lego uses a physical
plate for printing. I'm pretty sure they pad print so as long as someone
has the original file it wouldn't be impossible most likely
I'm no expert so i may be wrong but i don't think lego uses a physical
plate for printing. I'm pretty sure they pad print so as long as someone
has the original file it wouldn't be impossible most likely
What is the explanation for these Deadpool’s being printed on the newly discovered
unofficial/official torso’s? That is a recent development, those torsos are much
newer than 10 years old. Doesn’t add up.
likely factory overstock from way back when they were originally made/pocketed
goods which have passed hands multiple times
There are several ways these could be legitimate items, and they all have to
do with TLG ramping up its operations in China around the time this minifigure
was released.
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