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| | | Author: | PapaPearson  | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 14:23 | | Subject: | Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 226 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| I am in the process of making a trade with a customer. He wants some parts from
my store, he will trade some of his sets as payment.
Just so I am clear...the customer places an order in my store, I then pick and
ship the order just like any other. Once I get his "payment" I mark the shipment
as shipped and complete, correct?
I will pay fees to Bricklink obviously, but what about sales tax? I am assuming
sales tax would be added to the order, but since no money is actually trading
hands via PayPal, how does BL get the tax money?
I'm sure I will have other questions if anyone can help me out.
Thanks,
MP
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 19:07 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, PapaPearson writes:
| | I am in the process of making a trade with a customer. He wants some parts from
my store, he will trade some of his sets as payment.
Just so I am clear...the customer places an order in my store, I then pick and
ship the order just like any other. Once I get his "payment" I mark the shipment
as shipped and complete, correct?
I will pay fees to Bricklink obviously,
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How? 3% of the parts from each set? 
| | but what about sales tax? I am assuming
sales tax would be added to the order, but since no money is actually trading
hands via PayPal, how does BL get the tax money?
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Extortion
| | I'm sure I will have other questions if anyone can help me out.
Thanks,
MP
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In all seriousness, I'll try to dig up the relevant section(s) of the terms
of service, but for trades I believe at least one end of the trade has to be
conducted through BrickLink which it sounds like you've already done. Not
sure what that means as far as sales tax is concerned but honestly I would just
have both parties place separate BrickLink orders and pay for them separately
and dishonestly I would just bypass BrickLink entirely, BrickLink does not really
support trades.
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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 20:07 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, PapaPearson writes:
| | I will pay fees to Bricklink obviously, but what about sales tax? I am assuming
sales tax would be added to the order, but since no money is actually trading
hands via PayPal, how does BL get the tax money?
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Sales tax wouldn't be collected since no money is changing hands.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 20:26 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 20:34 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, peregrinator writes:
| | In Trades, PapaPearson writes:
| | I will pay fees to Bricklink obviously, but what about sales tax? I am assuming
sales tax would be added to the order, but since no money is actually trading
hands via PayPal, how does BL get the tax money?
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Sales tax wouldn't be collected since no money is changing hands.
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It's not what I read:
https://www.friedmanllp.com/insights/sales-tax-two-for-the-price-of-one
For example, under New York State law, a “sale” is considered to be any transaction
in which there is a transfer of title or possession, or both, of tangible
personal property (and certain enumerated services) for consideration. The term
“sale” also includes barter exchanges of tangible personal property or taxable
services. Consideration under the law includes items or services exchanged during
the course of a barter transaction. As a result, barter transactions are very
likely to generate multiple sales taxable events since there are exchanges of
goods or services flowing in both directions. Each of the parties is deemed to
be both a buyer and a seller.
And many pages like this...
And maybe the OP's transaction isn't important?
I would take great care if I'd trade for some amount...
But I dno't know it's not my Country.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 20:40 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, 1001bricks writes:
| | But I dno't know it's not my Country.
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It's very possible either party or both will owe sales tax, but BL won't
be collecting it - I don't think they have the means.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 21:10 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 21:13 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, peregrinator writes:
| | In Trades, 1001bricks writes:
| | But I dno't know it's not my Country.
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It's very possible either party or both will owe sales tax, but BL won't
be collecting it - I don't think they have the means.
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No collect from BL if there isn't an on site payment.
But the OP seller has to set up an indirect payment mode, like check or cash
(as he hasn't any).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 02:23 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Trades, peregrinator writes:
| | In Trades, 1001bricks writes:
| | But I dno't know it's not my Country.
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It's very possible either party or both will owe sales tax, but BL won't
be collecting it - I don't think they have the means.
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No collect from BL if there isn't an on site payment.
But the OP seller has to set up an indirect payment mode, like check or cash
(as he hasn't any).
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That wouldn’t work because this indirect payment method wouldn’t be available
to the buyer (it would automatically be removed from their choice). If the buyer
is in a state where BL has to collect the tax, only onsite methods will be available
to the buyer.
The only way would be to make a $0 transaction (which may be possible with coupons?).
But then that would mean no BL fees / circumvention of BL fees.
There’s been a few messages about this trade vs. sales tax issue but I don’t
remember any official comment….
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2022 10:23 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Trades, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Trades, peregrinator writes:
| | In Trades, 1001bricks writes:
| | But I dno't know it's not my Country.
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It's very possible either party or both will owe sales tax, but BL won't
be collecting it - I don't think they have the means.
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No collect from BL if there isn't an on site payment.
But the OP seller has to set up an indirect payment mode, like check or cash
(as he hasn't any).
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That wouldn’t work because this indirect payment method wouldn’t be available
to the buyer (it would automatically be removed from their choice). If the buyer
is in a state where BL has to collect the tax, only onsite methods will be available
to the buyer.
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Yep, what I feared too, but didn't know. Thanks!
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 21:24 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 15, 2022 21:34 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, PapaPearson writes:
| | I am in the process of making a trade with a customer. He wants some parts from
my store, he will trade some of his sets as payment.
Just so I am clear...the customer places an order in my store, I then pick and
ship the order just like any other. Once I get his "payment" I mark the shipment
as shipped and complete, correct?
I will pay fees to Bricklink obviously, but what about sales tax? I am assuming
sales tax would be added to the order, but since no money is actually trading
hands via PayPal, how does BL get the tax money?
I'm sure I will have other questions if anyone can help me out.
Thanks,
MP
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Trade using each other's store credits (coupons) and at least one onsite
transaction. There's a deal of trust required between the two of you.
or...
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1213165
”There is no rule that says you can't sell what you have listed on BrickLink
some other way. Just don't be trying to convert BrickLink orders into non-BrickLink
orders. That would be fee circumvention.”
Either way
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | Author: | PapaPearson | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2022 11:02 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| Thanks everyone for your insight...
So what we did was... we agreed to the trade terms first. Then my "buyer" placed
an order in my store for what he wanted, I sent an invoice (tax is automatically
included) and he paid. He shipped his agreed upon trade sets, and I shipped the
ordered parts. Once I received the sets, I sent a refund for the purchase - the
tax amount.
This seems like the correct way to do it to cover the tax cost. I think we covered
all of the bases doing it this way. Tax was paid, Bricklink and PayPal got their
fees.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2022 12:00 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, PapaPearson writes:
| | Thanks everyone for your insight...
So what we did was... we agreed to the trade terms first. Then my "buyer" placed
an order in my store for what he wanted, I sent an invoice (tax is automatically
included) and he paid. He shipped his agreed upon trade sets, and I shipped the
ordered parts. Once I received the sets, I sent a refund for the purchase - the
tax amount.
This seems like the correct way to do it to cover the tax cost. I think we covered
all of the bases doing it this way. Tax was paid, Bricklink and PayPal got their
fees.
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I think a taxman could say that there were two sales… and only one had taxes
paid, but that would be a devious taxman…
… but aren’t they all? 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2022 16:16 | | Subject: | Re: Trade Questions | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Trades | |
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| In Trades, PapaPearson writes:
| | Thanks everyone for your insight...
So what we did was... we agreed to the trade terms first. Then my "buyer" placed
an order in my store for what he wanted, I sent an invoice (tax is automatically
included) and he paid. He shipped his agreed upon trade sets, and I shipped the
ordered parts. Once I received the sets, I sent a refund for the purchase - the
tax amount.
This seems like the correct way to do it to cover the tax cost. I think we covered
all of the bases doing it this way. Tax was paid, Bricklink and PayPal got their
fees.
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"we agreed to the trade terms first"
And in that agreement you both agreed to use your respective PayPal accounts
to solicit an escrow service from PayPal?
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