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| | | Author: | Teup  | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2017 07:40 | | Subject: | Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 289 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Implemented | |
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| In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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| | | | | Author: | Baarlo_Bricks | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2017 09:01 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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IBAN indeed should be allowed for everyone. It's really THE thing out here
and in some other countries. It would be a huge mistake to kill it and go PayPal
(or something similar) only.
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| | | | | Author: | kaat | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2017 13:38 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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Totally agree, voted yes. Thanks for bringing it up!
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| | | | | Author: | peterab | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 06:33 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Bank transfers are also easy and free in Australia, so are preferred by many
when dealing with trusted sellers.
Voted Yes
Peter
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| | | | | Author: | Volt_Bricks | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 07:12 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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Voted yes, IBAN is just preferable over PayPal.
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| | | | | Author: | steekstra | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 07:51 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 104 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 08:00 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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| | | | | Author: | nectara | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 08:24 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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People are not trustworthy and with IBAN transaction your protection is null
nada zero nulua нула nulový nul tyhjä μηδενικό nulo
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| | | | | | | Author: | steekstra | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 08:44 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 106 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 17:10 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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People are not trustworthy and with IBAN transaction your protection is null
nada zero nulua нула nulový nul tyhjä μηδενικό nulo
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Well, that may be so, but in my 10 years of selling I have frequently sent out
orders even before buyers submitted their payments, and even told buyers that
I do this, and not once anyone "stole" anything from me. The only reason I still
check payments is to be able to contribute to Bricklink with accurate feedback
(wouldn't be good to post positive if they didn't pay) but personally
I would prefer to just take samples, instead of verifying everyone. In supermarkets
here it's the same, you can just walk out without paying if you want, but
once in a while an employee comes to check if you're paying properly.
Anyway, it's an interesting discussion yes, but just to be clear: whatever
IBAN pros and cons we can think of and whatever our opinion about it is, I'm
just bringing to everyone's attention that this decision is going to cause
Bricklink to lose a great deal of European market. In the NL (and more countries
in Europe, and as I now learned, Australia too) people strongly prefer IBAN,
and basically, PayPal is something for internet nerds. That is simply a reality.
Limiting Bricklink to PayPal is limiting it to internet nerds and lose a massive
market..
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | nectara | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2017 00:51 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
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and basically, PayPal is something for internet nerds. That is simply a reality.
Limiting Bricklink to PayPal is limiting it to internet nerds and lose a massive
market..
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Your huge market is almost NON in other country's
From 1300 orders in my store only 3 where payed by IBAN
Saying that PayPal is for nerds...
,,This payment volume was generated through the 1.73 billion transactions which
PayPal processed during that quarter. In 2016, the payment provider's annual
payment volume amounted to 354 billion U.S. dollars.,,
mean the nerds one pay half of the volume of your country in one year
,,The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Netherlands was worth 770.85 billion US
dollars in 2016.,,
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb414973 | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2017 01:26 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
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and basically, PayPal is something for internet nerds. That is simply a reality.
Limiting Bricklink to PayPal is limiting it to internet nerds and lose a massive
market..
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Your huge market is almost NON in other country's
From 1300 orders in my store only 3 where payed by IBAN
Saying that PayPal is for nerds...
,,This payment volume was generated through the 1.73 billion transactions which
PayPal processed during that quarter. In 2016, the payment provider's annual
payment volume amounted to 354 billion U.S. dollars.,,
mean the nerds one pay half of the volume of your country in one year
,,The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Netherlands was worth 770.85 billion US
dollars in 2016.,,
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Calm down dear, they weren't insulting you or anyone, rather explaining how
PayPal is seen within the Netherlands.
IBAN is a very common method of payment across the Euro zone, particularly
in the Benelux states. There are various other online payment methods here too
but they're not widely supported by non-Benelux retailers.
In a way I support the move to restrict IBAN as it offers zero protection for
consumers and loads the entirety of the risk onto their shoulders. In the case
of many Benelux retailers, this is fine as they comply with consumer legislation,
they publish their business address and there will be a complaints/redress procedure.
In the case of BL sellers, this is far from the norm and paying by IBAN represents
a serious risk.
However, as has been said, restricting this payment method will inconvenience
many people who are happy to use IBAN regardless of its lack of protection. BL
will simply lose some of these customers but only time will tell how many.
I suspect this is only the first salvo in BL's decision to push sellers towards
accepting PayPal exclusively, perhaps as an attempt to standardise fees and possibly
as a first step in making auto-checkout mandatory.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2017 04:47 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
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and basically, PayPal is something for internet nerds. That is simply a reality.
Limiting Bricklink to PayPal is limiting it to internet nerds and lose a massive
market..
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Your huge market is almost NON in other country's
From 1300 orders in my store only 3 where payed by IBAN
Saying that PayPal is for nerds...
,,This payment volume was generated through the 1.73 billion transactions which
PayPal processed during that quarter. In 2016, the payment provider's annual
payment volume amounted to 354 billion U.S. dollars.,,
mean the nerds one pay half of the volume of your country in one year
,,The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Netherlands was worth 770.85 billion US
dollars in 2016.,,
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As MarieA put it, this is not about opinions, arguments, preferences. I don't
like this kind of d*measuring contest but anyway, UK and NL are not that far
apart in size on Bricklink.
In the NL and many other countries PayPal is limited to a handful of internet
nerds, such as me. This is simply a fact that does not change depending on what
numbers you throw at it. These numbers are just total sums and say nothing about
distribution. The vast, vast majority of people here who buy online either don't
have it, don't know how it works, or have never even heard of the name.
You may not like it, but this is simply a reality. PayPal-only would mean virtually
eliminating a portion of Bricklink turnover that is really significant, bigger
than the UK portion.
Even if you would explain to the European (and perhaps Australian) consumer how
PayPal is really the bees knees, they will not understand why they should pay
money for a transaction. It's an anachronism to them.
These are just realities, I'm not talking about what payment method is best.
If the entire world suddenly decided to pay by doing a silly dance, I will happily
do silly dances. I don't care how, I just want to be able to pay my bills
and not be cut off from my customers.. they want IBAN, so I want IBAN.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | nectara | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2017 05:01 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
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and basically, PayPal is something for internet nerds. That is simply a reality.
Limiting Bricklink to PayPal is limiting it to internet nerds and lose a massive
market..
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Your huge market is almost NON in other country's
From 1300 orders in my store only 3 where payed by IBAN
Saying that PayPal is for nerds...
,,This payment volume was generated through the 1.73 billion transactions which
PayPal processed during that quarter. In 2016, the payment provider's annual
payment volume amounted to 354 billion U.S. dollars.,,
mean the nerds one pay half of the volume of your country in one year
,,The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Netherlands was worth 770.85 billion US
dollars in 2016.,,
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As MarieA put it, this is not about opinions, arguments, preferences. I don't
like this kind of d*measuring contest but anyway, UK and NL are not that far
apart in size on Bricklink.
In the NL and many other countries PayPal is limited to a handful of internet
nerds, such as me. This is simply a fact that does not change depending on what
numbers you throw at it. These numbers are just total sums and say nothing about
distribution. The vast, vast majority of people here who buy online either don't
have it, don't know how it works, or have never even heard of the name.
You may not like it, but this is simply a reality. PayPal-only would mean virtually
eliminating a portion of Bricklink turnover that is really significant, bigger
than the UK portion.
Even if you would explain to the European (and perhaps Australian) consumer how
PayPal is really the bees knees, they will not understand why they should pay
money for a transaction. It's an anachronism to them.
These are just realities, I'm not talking about what payment method is best.
If the entire world suddenly decided to pay by doing a silly dance, I will happily
do silly dances. I don't care how, I just want to be able to pay my bills
and not be cut off from my customers.. they want IBAN, so I want IBAN.
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Don't understand me wrong I agree with you but bank transfers are so yesterday
and without any protection
I do offer IBAN and Stripe but I don't like them I prefer to pay PayPal fee
but to be protected
None of the payments platforms offer protection like PayPal so be sure PayPal
will be bigger and bigger...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2017 08:39 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, nectara writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
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and basically, PayPal is something for internet nerds. That is simply a reality.
Limiting Bricklink to PayPal is limiting it to internet nerds and lose a massive
market..
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Your huge market is almost NON in other country's
From 1300 orders in my store only 3 where payed by IBAN
Saying that PayPal is for nerds...
,,This payment volume was generated through the 1.73 billion transactions which
PayPal processed during that quarter. In 2016, the payment provider's annual
payment volume amounted to 354 billion U.S. dollars.,,
mean the nerds one pay half of the volume of your country in one year
,,The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Netherlands was worth 770.85 billion US
dollars in 2016.,,
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As MarieA put it, this is not about opinions, arguments, preferences. I don't
like this kind of d*measuring contest but anyway, UK and NL are not that far
apart in size on Bricklink.
In the NL and many other countries PayPal is limited to a handful of internet
nerds, such as me. This is simply a fact that does not change depending on what
numbers you throw at it. These numbers are just total sums and say nothing about
distribution. The vast, vast majority of people here who buy online either don't
have it, don't know how it works, or have never even heard of the name.
You may not like it, but this is simply a reality. PayPal-only would mean virtually
eliminating a portion of Bricklink turnover that is really significant, bigger
than the UK portion.
Even if you would explain to the European (and perhaps Australian) consumer how
PayPal is really the bees knees, they will not understand why they should pay
money for a transaction. It's an anachronism to them.
These are just realities, I'm not talking about what payment method is best.
If the entire world suddenly decided to pay by doing a silly dance, I will happily
do silly dances. I don't care how, I just want to be able to pay my bills
and not be cut off from my customers.. they want IBAN, so I want IBAN.
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Don't understand me wrong I agree with you but bank transfers are so yesterday
and without any protection
I do offer IBAN and Stripe but I don't like them I prefer to pay PayPal fee
but to be protected
None of the payments platforms offer protection like PayPal so be sure PayPal
will be bigger and bigger...
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-For clarification: this is the realm of opinions and is therefore off the topic
of the suggestion  -
Actually, I don't see PayPal replacing bank transfers at all, not here. I
cannot imagine my mother signing up to PayPal and understand how that all works.
Bank transfers are probably tedious if you're in a country where that system
has not evolved to a comfortable point, but here there is an interface for them
that every single web store uses and everyone knows how to use it. You just pay
by clicking a button, the only extra trouble is getting a code and entering another
code, but this takes about 10 seconds and it is protection. PayPal does not have
this protection; everyone who has your credentials has access to your money.
Also, PayPal opens the door to fiscal scamming as it complicates the government's
efforts to keep track of how much money everyone has (though PayPal does have
some level of protection on this, but probably not 100% transparent like banks).
You are right PayPal offers a different type of protection, it's not as safe
when it comes to theft from an account, but it is safer against scamming. But
in my opinion, this is not the type of protection I need. I believe that this
comes down to human decency and does not need to be regulated. If there was a
service to escort me safely down the street for a small fee, I also wouldn't
like that. Public surveillance by camera is also very limited by law here. But
if we have this discucssion it would be endless, because all points of view have
good arguments. It's just a personal or cultural preference. The protection
PayPal offers and the protection IBAN offers are different from one another,
people can have different preferences according to their philosophy.
In short I don't believe there is a way to predict which payment method will
"win" (if any) based on their technical specs. People use what they use, and
we'll just have to wait and see how that evolves..
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| | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 12:40 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 89 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted no.
In fairness for security of buyers, I would only vote yes if sellers were required
to offer a payment option that allowed recourse at no penalty (fees, etc).
Over the years I have read many forum messages about buyers losing money due
to using IBAN (often in the hundreds of $, euro). Bank transfers don't seem
to be in the spirit of fair e-commerce between individuals. Registered businesses
may be a different story.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 17:17 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted no.
In fairness for security of buyers, I would only vote yes if sellers were required
to offer a payment option that allowed recourse at no penalty (fees, etc).
Over the years I have read many forum messages about buyers losing money due
to using IBAN (often in the hundreds of $, euro). Bank transfers don't seem
to be in the spirit of fair e-commerce between individuals. Registered businesses
may be a different story.
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Well, you have arguments against IBAN, and maybe you have a point. But I hope
you do realise that voting no is voting for Bricklink to focus on America and
put other sellers out of business.
Even if other people would only be willing to deliver money by horse and carriage
and you could think of 83453946 arguments against that, excluding that payment
option is excluding those people.
You're saying bank transfers are not in the spirit of fair e-commerce, but
here e-commerce is absolutely huge to the point that entire brick-and-mortar
shopping centers go empty, and almost all of that goes through bank transfers.
Everybody uses it, daily, all ages and walks of life. It is rare for people to
pay in another way. Your idea of what e-commerce should be has good arguments,
but it is not necessarily what e-commerce should be for all people.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted no.
In fairness for security of buyers, I would only vote yes if sellers were required
to offer a payment option that allowed recourse at no penalty (fees, etc).
Over the years I have read many forum messages about buyers losing money due
to using IBAN (often in the hundreds of $, euro). Bank transfers don't seem
to be in the spirit of fair e-commerce between individuals. Registered businesses
may be a different story.
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Well, you have arguments against IBAN, and maybe you have a point. But I hope
you do realise that voting no is voting for Bricklink to focus on America and
put other sellers out of business.
Even if other people would only be willing to deliver money by horse and carriage
and you could think of 83453946 arguments against that, excluding that payment
option is excluding those people.
You're saying bank transfers are not in the spirit of fair e-commerce, but
here e-commerce is absolutely huge to the point that entire brick-and-mortar
shopping centers go empty, and almost all of that goes through bank transfers.
Everybody uses it, daily, all ages and walks of life. It is rare for people to
pay in another way. Your idea of what e-commerce should be has good arguments,
but it is not necessarily what e-commerce should be for all people.
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And just to be clear: it's not just registered businesses I'm talking
about. Dutch equivalents of eBay and Craigslist, where private indivuals deal
with each other, are 100% bank transfer based.
If a Dutch person will sign up here and find that this way of paying is not supported,
they will most likely leave. That will be a disaster for the Dutch market but
also affect the American part, since from what I have seen it is very common
for people to sign up here, use the payment method they are familiar with (Bricklink
is already very overwhelming when you first sign up) and then make the step to
buying overseas and looking into something like PayPal. That's what I did,
too. If there was no way to pay by bank transfer, I would never have signed up
here.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 17:58 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted no.
In fairness for security of buyers, I would only vote yes if sellers were required
to offer a payment option that allowed recourse at no penalty (fees, etc).
Over the years I have read many forum messages about buyers losing money due
to using IBAN (often in the hundreds of $, euro). Bank transfers don't seem
to be in the spirit of fair e-commerce between individuals. Registered businesses
may be a different story.
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Well, you have arguments against IBAN, and maybe you have a point. But I hope
you do realise that voting no is voting for Bricklink to focus on America and
put other sellers out of business.
Even if other people would only be willing to deliver money by horse and carriage
and you could think of 83453946 arguments against that, excluding that payment
option is excluding those people.
You're saying bank transfers are not in the spirit of fair e-commerce, but
here e-commerce is absolutely huge to the point that entire brick-and-mortar
shopping centers go empty, and almost all of that goes through bank transfers.
Everybody uses it, daily, all ages and walks of life. It is rare for people to
pay in another way. Your idea of what e-commerce should be has good arguments,
but it is not necessarily what e-commerce should be for all people.
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And just to be clear: it's not just registered businesses I'm talking
about. Dutch equivalents of eBay and Craigslist, where private indivuals deal
with each other, are 100% bank transfer based.
If a Dutch person will sign up here and find that this way of paying is not supported,
they will most likely leave. That will be a disaster for the Dutch market but
also affect the American part, since from what I have seen it is very common
for people to sign up here, use the payment method they are familiar with (Bricklink
is already very overwhelming when you first sign up) and then make the step to
buying overseas and looking into something like PayPal. That's what I did,
too. If there was no way to pay by bank transfer, I would never have signed up
here.
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I signed up for PayPal when I made my first BrickLink purchase in the USA.
I would not have signed up for BrickLink if I had to sign up for an unusual payment
system at the same time (and PayPal really is uncommon here).
In my personal opinion, PayPal still basically feels like a solution for countries
that do not have a decent banking system 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 17:46 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| You took what I wrote and applied it to a completely different type of commerce.
My post clearly referred to e-commerce between individuals.
| | You're saying bank transfers are not in the spirit of fair e-commerce, but
here e-commerce is absolutely huge to the point that entire brick-and-mortar
shopping centers go empty, and almost all of that goes through bank transfers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 17:53 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Well, as I posted it's also about individuals, but your suggestion to limit
it to registered businesses could be acceptable. It is not great, and I really
believe it should be available to all, but if there is no way Bricklink will
make it the way it was, your suggestion could be a possible alternative. A seller
would then have to provide a link to their country's trade register and show
their business registration.
Or, it could be available by default, and revoked/suspended if there are issues.
Something like this. I really don't think any of this is needed, based on
my experience in a place where bank transfer is the norm, but if Bricklink really
won't be able to believe that, they could package it like this.
I just feel very uncomfortable with the thought that I got this far with my business,
and the road towards it has collapsed behind me.. the more open this place is
to everyone, the better.. a few percent more scams but a manyfold multiplication
of the market potential.
In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | You took what I wrote and applied it to a completely different type of commerce.
My post clearly referred to e-commerce between individuals.
| | You're saying bank transfers are not in the spirit of fair e-commerce, but
here e-commerce is absolutely huge to the point that entire brick-and-mortar
shopping centers go empty, and almost all of that goes through bank transfers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2017 18:07 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I deleted my vote, however, I believe that bank transfers among individuals are
a path to unfair play. This is especially so when sellers charge extra for a
buyer to use a payment method that has some form of recourse against fraud.
This can even happen with honest people that don't intend to cause issues.
A seller gets extremely ill, coma, death, and is unable to ship the goods.
Unfortunately, it happens. I've read of at least 3 deaths, 1 coma, and various
other issues to BL members, since joining.
I will continue to use PayPal for this extra piece of mind that my buyers have
protection should something happen.
| | I just feel very uncomfortable with the thought that I got this far with my business,
and the road towards it has collapsed behind me.. the more open this place is
to everyone, the better.. a few percent more scams but a manyfold multiplication
of the market potential.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2017 17:54 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | You took what I wrote and applied it to a completely different type of commerce.
My post clearly referred to e-commerce between individuals.
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Your given example on BL members losing hundreds of dollars is based on occurrences
that involved actual FRAUD. If you ask me, it had very little to do with the
payment method, but had everything to do with BL not implementing an intelligent
solution against scammers.
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| | You're saying bank transfers are not in the spirit of fair e-commerce, but
here e-commerce is absolutely huge to the point that entire brick-and-mortar
shopping centers go empty, and almost all of that goes through bank transfers.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2017 17:42 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Voted no.
In fairness for security of buyers, I would only vote yes if sellers were required
to offer a payment option that allowed recourse at no penalty (fees, etc).
Over the years I have read many forum messages about buyers losing money due
to using IBAN (often in the hundreds of $, euro). Bank transfers don't seem
to be in the spirit of fair e-commerce between individuals. Registered businesses
may be a different story.
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Aliexpress offers Buyer protection for IBAN payments.
If BL implements a buyer protection program, they could use AliExpress as example.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2017 04:44 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count.
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https://www.bricklink.com/browse.asp
From the above, I think the number of currently (active) stores in The Netherlands
is actually 3rd now, behind the USA and the UK. Germany is fourth.
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2017 12:04 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Thank you everybody for the thoughts and support for this issue. I still think
and worry alot about this "extinction policy". For someone who has no other means
to earn a living, this is a major issue and a potential threat. To anyone who
will vote in support, could you also leave a reply? I'm sorry to "bump" but
this way the thread will not be buried until it has stopped receiving additional
votes by other members who are also concerned. Thanks!
In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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| | | | | | | Author: | Grego | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2017 12:16 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | Thank you everybody for the thoughts and support for this issue. I still think
and worry alot about this "extinction policy". For someone who has no other means
to earn a living, this is a major issue and a potential threat. To anyone who
will vote in support, could you also leave a reply? I'm sorry to "bump" but
this way the thread will not be buried until it has stopped receiving additional
votes by other members who are also concerned. Thanks!
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I voted yes.
I continue to do approximately 10% non-PayPal BL orders ...money orders, cheque,
Interact (Canadian bank to bank) as well as International bank to bank and cash
on local pickup.
I don't like this trend towards PayPal only.
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| | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2017 14:24 | | Subject: | Re: Offsite payment no longer possible?? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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Note the Shipping Cost Suggestion is already favouriting the more expensive tracked
parcel option over the €3.50 cheaper untracked parcel option.
The buyer selected the cheapest method.
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Jaclyn | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2017 15:56 | | Subject: | [IMPLEMENTED] Allow IBAN payments in new stores | | Viewed: | 101 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Hi everyone,
First of all, thank you to Teup for writing this post. I've heard from many
other users about this and since we certainly have no intention of "killing"
the European market, nor do we want any users to feel marginalized, we've
decided to allow IBAN for new sellers again.
Here's how it will work:
-New sellers who have not upgraded from a buyer in good standing† will need to
go through the verification process to open their store and will also need to
request IBAN permission.
-New sellers who have upgraded from a buyer account in good standing will need
to contact the help desk to request IBAN payment.
†"Buyer account in good standing" = Has had an active account for 100 days and
has received positive feedback from 5 different legitimate sellers.
***All new sellers will be required to have at least one onsite payment method
available in their store in order to accept IBAN**
I'll be updating the help topic for onsite/offsite payment methods and will
mention this on the new seller verification page as well. If anyone would like
to request IBAN for their store, please send me a direct message.
Thanks!
-- Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2017 16:06 | | Subject: | Re: [IMPLEMENTED] Allow IBAN payments in new stores | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Hi Jaclyn,
Thank you so much for your feedback on this and most of all for the decision
to reenable it! I am very glad to hear this, not that it "affects" me in the
immediate sense but I feel much more comfortable about the future of Bricklink
now. Great news for alot of (future) Bricklinkers! Happy to run my business here
Cheers,
Mathieu
In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Hi everyone,
First of all, thank you to Teup for writing this post. I've heard from many
other users about this and since we certainly have no intention of "killing"
the European market, nor do we want any users to feel marginalized, we've
decided to allow IBAN for new sellers again.
Here's how it will work:
-New sellers who have not upgraded from a buyer in good standing† will need to
go through the verification process to open their store and will also need to
request IBAN permission.
-New sellers who have upgraded from a buyer account in good standing will need
to contact the help desk to request IBAN payment.
†"Buyer account in good standing" = Has had an active account for 100 days and
has received positive feedback from 5 different legitimate sellers.
***All new sellers will be required to have at least one onsite payment method
available in their store in order to accept IBAN**
I'll be updating the help topic for onsite/offsite payment methods and will
mention this on the new seller verification page as well. If anyone would like
to request IBAN for their store, please send me a direct message.
Thanks!
-- Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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| | | | | | | Author: | nectara | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2017 16:27 | | Subject: | Re: [IMPLEMENTED] Allow IBAN payments in new stores | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Hi everyone,
First of all, thank you to Teup for writing this post. I've heard from many
other users about this and since we certainly have no intention of "killing"
the European market, nor do we want any users to feel marginalized, we've
decided to allow IBAN for new sellers again.
Here's how it will work:
-New sellers who have not upgraded from a buyer in good standing† will need to
go through the verification process to open their store and will also need to
request IBAN permission.
-New sellers who have upgraded from a buyer account in good standing will need
to contact the help desk to request IBAN payment.
†"Buyer account in good standing" = Has had an active account for 100 days and
has received positive feedback from 5 different legitimate sellers.
***All new sellers will be required to have at least one onsite payment method
available in their store in order to accept IBAN**
I'll be updating the help topic for onsite/offsite payment methods and will
mention this on the new seller verification page as well. If anyone would like
to request IBAN for their store, please send me a direct message.
Thanks!
-- Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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So the legend that Bricklink didn't care what seller's ask is not true
Jaclyn I'm in need for a new car can you please ask your financial team for
a donation?
Regards
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2017 17:31 | | Subject: | Re: [IMPLEMENTED] Allow IBAN payments in new stores | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Admin_Jaclyn writes:
| | Hi everyone,
First of all, thank you to Teup for writing this post. I've heard from many
other users about this and since we certainly have no intention of "killing"
the European market, nor do we want any users to feel marginalized, we've
decided to allow IBAN for new sellers again.
Here's how it will work:
-New sellers who have not upgraded from a buyer in good standing† will need to
go through the verification process to open their store and will also need to
request IBAN permission.
-New sellers who have upgraded from a buyer account in good standing will need
to contact the help desk to request IBAN payment.
†"Buyer account in good standing" = Has had an active account for 100 days and
has received positive feedback from 5 different legitimate sellers.
***All new sellers will be required to have at least one onsite payment method
available in their store in order to accept IBAN**
I'll be updating the help topic for onsite/offsite payment methods and will
mention this on the new seller verification page as well. If anyone would like
to request IBAN for their store, please send me a direct message.
Thanks!
-- Jaclyn
BrickLink Customer Support
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Great news.
Thanks Bricklink for allowing it again for new sellers.
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In another thread someone brought this to my attention:
Offsite Payment - No longer available for new users as of June 8, 2017.
To cover various payment options, BrickLink also provides Offsite Payment Methods.
Please note that BrickLink cannot provide any transaction related support for
the Offsite Payment Methods listed below. All responsibility for Offsite Payments
is solely upon buyer and seller.
I'm lost for words. Does Bricklink really want to kill the European market
or something? In my real life I don't even know anyone with PayPal (or a
Credit card). In the NL €20,000,000,000 is spent in webshops per year, and almost
all of these transactions are bank transfers. Almost no-one that I know will
consider PayPal, certainly not since it costs money while bank tranfers are free.
IBAN has really become simple in use; Transactions are free, fast, and bank account
numbers have been standardised to IBAN recently. Interfaces for bank transfers
(such as iDeal in the NL) are thriving more than ever and are the undisputed
standard.
And now Bricklink is moving in the opposite direction.
They will lose the Dutch market, which is the 4th largest country on the platform
in terms of store count. Bricklink always seemed a bit America First but this
decision right here really changes my opinion of Bricklink. I personally will
survive since it doesn't affect existing stores and I will move more of my
business over to BO which does support bank transfers. But they will certainly
scare away lots of potential customers here, and for new sellers this is crazy
unfair. This is either a huge mistake or Bricklink just isn't interested
in the European market..
Please support my suggestion to re-enable IBAN/Bank transfer, also if you don't
use it. For an accessable and thriving site that benefits all of us, and a site
that is fair to everyone.. it's really in all of our interest if you want
Bricklink to be #1..
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Netherlands, Utrecht
Australia, Victoria
Belgium, Oost-Vlaanderen
United Kingdom, England
USA, Michigan
Lithuania, Panevėžys
Canada, British Columbia
