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| | | Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 13:53 | | Subject: | What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 250 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot. What is an incomplete set. It says this policy change (?) is to keep the
price guide precise for sellers, but what are you comparing when looking at incomplete
sets?
If a set has 10 minifigures, and is missing 1, is it an incomplete set? What
about 5, or 9. According to the official statement missing all 10 is not an incomplete
set but a custom lot. So where is tge critical point?
Same with parts, how much can be missing and still be an incomplete set? And
if someone else has sold an incomplete set, how do I know how complete/incomplete
it was?
This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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| | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot. What is an incomplete set. It says this policy change (?) is to keep the
price guide precise for sellers, but what are you comparing when looking at incomplete
sets?
If a set has 10 minifigures, and is missing 1, is it an incomplete set? What
about 5, or 9. According to the official statement missing all 10 is not an incomplete
set but a custom lot. So where is tge critical point?
Same with parts, how much can be missing and still be an incomplete set? And
if someone else has sold an incomplete set, how do I know how complete/incomplete
it was?
This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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I have been reading the help page a few times now and I think they are referring
just to New Incomplete sets maybe, but the example of the email is a used one.
So IDK really, seems contradictory...
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
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| | | | | | | Author: | Familybuild | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:33 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| I did the same; also i found the QR code part a bit funny.
When you think about it how can you check if a instruction was viewed and or
read by somebody?
If you where just to read it qualify's as used..
So basicly you'll have to handle them blind to be new.
But on the otherhand you can scan the code and list it new; as long as you did
not read the booklet.
It might be because of a code can be scanned only once on 1 account.. but i do
wonder
🤣
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:09 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
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I'm not, I don't receive them 
| | OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot.
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Personally I dislike seeing this Star Wars Incomplete Set "Only missing all
Minifigs".
Or why not selling 1* 1x1 Plate as the Incomplete Taj Mahal Set (only missing
he 5922 others, with no box no instructions no stickers).
An it damages the Price Guide.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:12 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
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I'm not, I don't receive them
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Correction - I did receive it! Someone solved the problem? Thank you!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:35 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
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Correction - I did receive it! Someone solved the problem? Thank you!
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Ah, see! You mauvaise langue!
(Yes, it’s English: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mauvaise_langue  )
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
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Correction - I did receive it! Someone solved the problem? Thank you!
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Ah, see! You mauvaise langue!
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Pff 4 years without Newsletter, it's not like I'm exaggerate...
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:18 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
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I'm not, I don't receive them
| | OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot.
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Personally I dislike seeing this Star Wars Incomplete Set "Only missing all
Minifigs".
Or why not selling 1* 1x1 Plate as the Incomplete Taj Mahal Set (only missing
he 5922 others, with no box no instructions no stickers).
An it damages the Price Guide.
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How does it damage the price guide? The price guide is only really meaningful
for complete sets. For sold incomplete sets, you don't know what you are
comparing any way.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:23 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
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I'm not, I don't receive them
| | OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot.
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Personally I dislike seeing this Star Wars Incomplete Set "Only missing all
Minifigs".
Or why not selling 1* 1x1 Plate as the Incomplete Taj Mahal Set (only missing
he 5922 others, with no box no instructions no stickers).
An it damages the Price Guide.
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How does it damage the price guide?
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As said, right now there are Star Wars Incomplete Set "Only missing all Minifigs".
In the future, they won't appear as sets.
| | The price guide is only really meaningful
for complete sets. For sold incomplete sets, you don't know what you are
comparing any way.
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To build or have fun, I'm very fine with a New Incomplete without box and
instructions.
But this is only my POV here.
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
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I'm not, I don't receive them
| | OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot.
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Personally I dislike seeing this Star Wars Incomplete Set "Only missing all
Minifigs".
An it damages the Price Guide.
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Yes and I have no issues with them correcting that though like the minifigs the
build itself its quite a substantial item that people are interested in purchasing
by itself therefore I really think there ought to be a build entry. If we can
list minifigs separately then why not the build? I suspect builds hidden away
under custom lots will be easily overlooked which doesn't really serve anybody?
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| | | | | Author: | Familybuild | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:10 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| The way i see the mail; only instruction and or package missing counts as Incomplete.
Any (parts, figs, stickers) missing , custom lot..
But the rules on it are not saying the same (yet) and are open to point of view.
I do see the benefit of listing being more accurate in prices and for buyers
i think its nice that they wont buy a set , missing a comment ; thinking they
have a great deal only to be bummed out that the figures where missing that the
buyer was possible after.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:15 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
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Umm... okay. So... they are going to go through BL and remove every set that
is missing minifigs and accessories? Do they have ANY idea how many that is?
Do they have any idea that this is a very common practice on BrickLink for as
long as any of us have known it?
[[[face palm]]]
Can anyone on the Marketplace Panel weigh in on this please?
~Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | Familybuild | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:21 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| If you take a slight look those number of listings are quite massive and very
baked much baked in..
By that point i would set the report listing feature to that it automaticly triggers
a lot into a custom listing on 1st report, and have a looksie by moderator or
personel after 2+ reports.. they already have massively tied hands when it comes
to time and work(load).
But im very curious indeed.. already posted a suggestion topic about the rules.
Best wishes
FAMILYBUILDS
Bas
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:34 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Familybuild writes:
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By that point i would set the report listing feature to that it automaticly triggers
a lot into a custom listing on 1st report, and have a looksie by moderator or
personel after 2+ reports.. they already have massively tied hands when it comes
to time and work(load).
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Good suggestion… except for the involvement of us, “experts” (moderators or others).
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 15:08 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Familybuild writes:
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By that point i would set the report listing feature to that it automaticly triggers
a lot into a custom listing on 1st report, and have a looksie by moderator or
personel after 2+ reports.. they already have massively tied hands when it comes
to time and work(load).
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Good suggestion… except for the involvement of us, “experts” (moderators or others).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 15:36 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
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| | Good suggestion… except for the involvement of us, “experts” (moderators or others).
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You want ME to check & remove items in YOUR shop? 
(And make that “remove” only: I won’t check anything  )
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
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| | Good suggestion… except for the involvement of us, “experts” (moderators or others).
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You want ME to check & remove items in YOUR shop?
(And make that “remove” only: I won’t check anything )
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Pitié pitié pitié pitié merci merci merciiiiiiiiiii !!!
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:23 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, jennnifer writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
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Umm... okay. So... they are going to go through BL and remove every set that
is missing minifigs and accessories? Do they have ANY idea how many that is?
Do they have any idea that this is a very common practice on BrickLink for as
long as any of us have known it?
[[[face palm]]]
Can anyone on the Marketplace Panel weigh in on this please?
~Jen
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They should really email every seller that currently has an incomplete set listed.
It has often been said they'd never decide one way or the other whether minifigs
can be sold as new when assembled by sellers because historically it was allowed
and there are so many listed that way. I think this change is even bigger than
that and yet there was no consultation or warning.
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| | | | | Author: | Ziegelmeister | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot. What is an incomplete set. It says this policy change (?) is to keep the
price guide precise for sellers, but what are you comparing when looking at incomplete
sets?
If a set has 10 minifigures, and is missing 1, is it an incomplete set? What
about 5, or 9. According to the official statement missing all 10 is not an incomplete
set but a custom lot. So where is tge critical point?
Same with parts, how much can be missing and still be an incomplete set? And
if someone else has sold an incomplete set, how do I know how complete/incomplete
it was?
This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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I'm on board with the policy. There have been a lot of times I'm trying
to research the price of a new or used set and might see "incomplete"
sets listed for ~$100 less that are missing the minifigures. Then I see in the
sales history a few that were also sold for ~$100 less than all the others which
pulls the average price down, but we don't know if it was complete or incomplete.
A work around would be to just make the sold item viewable so we could see if
it was priced so low because it was incomplete or if it was a crushed box.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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A work around would be to just make the sold item viewable so we could see if
it was priced so low because it was incomplete or if it was a crushed box.
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is this what your looking for?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Ziegelmeister | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:34 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
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A work around would be to just make the sold item viewable so we could see if
it was priced so low because it was incomplete or if it was a crushed box.
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is this what your looking for?
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Yes, but I've seen some slip through the cracks. The new "report listing"
feature has been helpful. There was one this week that was listed as "Complete
but missing minifigs". is the system automated to cull those out expeditiously
or is it on the users to report the listing?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:42 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Ziegelmeister writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
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A work around would be to just make the sold item viewable so we could see if
it was priced so low because it was incomplete or if it was a crushed box.
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is this what your looking for?
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Yes, but I've seen some slip through the cracks. The new "report listing"
feature has been helpful. There was one this week that was listed as "Complete
but missing minifigs". is the system automated to cull those out expeditiously
or is it on the users to report the listing?
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Those have never been allowed to be listed as complete and could have been reported
under the old system. This change won't stop listing errors like that. They
might be more likely to be reported now it is easier to report, but they will
still happen.
It is still not obvious to me hat can be done with a set that is missing one
part. Is it now that you must either complete the set or part it out into minifigures
and individual parts or custom lots.
In a way it looks like they are trying to match what they did with minifigures
but the big difference is that there is an existing setting for incomplete sets
whereas there was no setting for incomplete minifigures.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Ziegelmeister | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:52 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | Those have never been allowed to be listed as complete and could have been reported
under the old system. This change won't stop listing errors like that. They
might be more likely to be reported now it is easier to report, but they will
still happen.
It is still not obvious to me hat can be done with a set that is missing one
part. Is it now that you must either complete the set or part it out into minifigures
and individual parts or custom lots.
In a way it looks like they are trying to match what they did with minifigures
but the big difference is that there is an existing setting for incomplete sets
whereas there was no setting for incomplete minifigures.
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Makes sense. The one I'm referring to this week was fixed/relisted eventually.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:35 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| | | I'm on board with the policy. There have been a lot of times I'm trying
to research the price of a new or used set and might see "incomplete"
sets listed for ~$100 less that are missing the minifigures. Then I see in the
sales history a few that were also sold for ~$100 less than all the others which
pulls the average price down, but we don't know if it was complete or incomplete.
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When searching current sets, why not turn off incomplete sets. Then you won't
see incomplete sets.
Similarly for sold prices, just excluded incomplete sets from the price guide.
Then you know you are looking at complete sets. The price guide for sold incomplete
sets is useless as you don't know what you are comparing. It might be missing
one sticker, it might be only 50% complete.
| | A work around would be to just make the sold item viewable so we could see if
it was priced so low because it was incomplete or if it was a crushed box.
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| | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:38 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Ziegelmeister writes:
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I'm on board with the policy. There have been a lot of times I'm trying
to research the price of a new or used set and might see "incomplete"
sets listed for ~$100 less that are missing the minifigures. Then I see in the
sales history a few that were also sold for ~$100 less than all the others which
pulls the average price down, but we don't know if it was complete or incomplete.
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Click the "Exclude Incomplete" box to see stats for completed sets only.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Ziegelmeister | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 14:40 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, zorbanj writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Ziegelmeister writes:
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I'm on board with the policy. There have been a lot of times I'm trying
to research the price of a new or used set and might see "incomplete"
sets listed for ~$100 less that are missing the minifigures. Then I see in the
sales history a few that were also sold for ~$100 less than all the others which
pulls the average price down, but we don't know if it was complete or incomplete.
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Click the "Exclude Incomplete" box to see stats for completed sets only.
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Yes, see my follow up to Nubs.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 19:39 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 153 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot. What is an incomplete set. It says this policy change (?) is to keep the
price guide precise for sellers, but what are you comparing when looking at incomplete
sets?
If a set has 10 minifigures, and is missing 1, is it an incomplete set? What
about 5, or 9. According to the official statement missing all 10 is not an incomplete
set but a custom lot. So where is tge critical point?
Same with parts, how much can be missing and still be an incomplete set? And
if someone else has sold an incomplete set, how do I know how complete/incomplete
it was?
This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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The newsletter does not mention a change either in the policy or the enforcement
of the policy. Nothing has changed in that regard.
As a ball-park figure, if a listing has less than 80% of the complete set contents,
it shouldn't be listed as incomplete. Another rule of thumb - everything
essential to the character of the set must be present, so for example, the signature
printed tile in Architecture sets must be included to list the set as INcomplete.
The newsletter was highlighting the most common problem with incomplete listings,
of which most are in USED condition. New items have different rules. Sets missing
instructions or boxes do not need to be listed as incomplete if these deficiencies
are mentioned in the notes - for USED items. Items listed as NEW must contain
the original packaging and instructions.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 19:42 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | | | | | This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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The newsletter does not mention a change either in the policy or the enforcement
of the policy. Nothing has changed in that regard.
As a ball-park figure, if a listing has less than 80% of the complete set contents,
it shouldn't be listed as incomplete. Another rule of thumb - everything
essential to the character of the set must be present, so for example, the signature
printed tile in Architecture sets must be included to list the set as INcomplete.
The newsletter was highlighting the most common problem with incomplete listings,
of which most are in USED condition. New items have different rules. Sets missing
instructions or boxes do not need to be listed as incomplete if these deficiencies
are mentioned in the notes - for USED items. Items listed as NEW must contain
the original packaging and instructions.
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The newsletter was badly written. It definitely looked to me like a new policy
intended to drive incomplete sets from Bricklink to eBay.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 20:36 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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The newsletter does not mention a change either in the policy or the enforcement
of the policy. Nothing has changed in that regard.
As a ball-park figure, if a listing has less than 80% of the complete set contents,
it shouldn't be listed as incomplete. Another rule of thumb - everything
essential to the character of the set must be present, so for example, the signature
printed tile in Architecture sets must be included to list the set as INcomplete.
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I didn't understand at all the most recent one (about this subject, at least),
and apparently I'm not alone
Now you've got another task Russell: to write the Newsletters!
I'm sure you're happy.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 20:45 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
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The newsletter does not mention a change either in the policy or the enforcement
of the policy. Nothing has changed in that regard.
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That's a relief!
| | As a ball-park figure, if a listing has less than 80% of the complete set contents,
it shouldn't be listed as incomplete.
Another rule of thumb - everything
essential to the character of the set must be present, so for example, the signature
printed tile in Architecture sets must be included to list the set as INcomplete.
The newsletter was highlighting the most common problem with incomplete listings,
of which most are in USED condition. New items have different rules. Sets missing
instructions or boxes do not need to be listed as incomplete if these deficiencies
are mentioned in the notes - for USED items. Items listed as NEW must contain
the original packaging and instructions.
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Any plans on enabling the Share Wanted List function? The "Feature Coming
Soon!" note has been there for years. If a buyer is interested in an incomplete
set it would make things easier if a seller could share a wanted list of the
missing pieces for the incomplete set. The buyer could then quickly see what's
missing and/or price it out.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 03:10 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot. What is an incomplete set. It says this policy change (?) is to keep the
price guide precise for sellers, but what are you comparing when looking at incomplete
sets?
If a set has 10 minifigures, and is missing 1, is it an incomplete set? What
about 5, or 9. According to the official statement missing all 10 is not an incomplete
set but a custom lot. So where is tge critical point?
Same with parts, how much can be missing and still be an incomplete set? And
if someone else has sold an incomplete set, how do I know how complete/incomplete
it was?
This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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|
The newsletter does not mention a change either in the policy or the enforcement
of the policy. Nothing has changed in that regard.
As a ball-park figure, if a listing has less than 80% of the complete set contents,
it shouldn't be listed as incomplete. Another rule of thumb - everything
essential to the character of the set must be present, so for example, the signature
printed tile in Architecture sets must be included to list the set as INcomplete.
The newsletter was highlighting the most common problem with incomplete listings,
of which most are in USED condition. New items have different rules. Sets missing
instructions or boxes do not need to be listed as incomplete if these deficiencies
are mentioned in the notes - for USED items. Items listed as NEW must contain
the original packaging and instructions.
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What is meant by this statement from the newsletter? Our Item Condition
policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
It is wrong for new sets and wrong for used sets.
Obviously we don't know who wrote that statement, or if anyone proof read
it before sending it out in a newsletter, but at best it is very misleading and
at worst just plain wrong.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 14:30 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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BrickLink
ID CardAdmin_Russell
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| Location: USA, California |
| Member Since |
Contact |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | | | The newsletter does not mention a change either in the policy or the enforcement
of the policy. Nothing has changed in that regard.
As a ball-park figure, if a listing has less than 80% of the complete set contents,
it shouldn't be listed as incomplete. Another rule of thumb - everything
essential to the character of the set must be present, so for example, the signature
printed tile in Architecture sets must be included to list the set as INcomplete.
The newsletter was highlighting the most common problem with incomplete listings,
of which most are in USED condition. New items have different rules. Sets missing
instructions or boxes do not need to be listed as incomplete if these deficiencies
are mentioned in the notes - for USED items. Items listed as NEW must contain
the original packaging and instructions.
|
What is meant by this statement from the newsletter? Our Item Condition
policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
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USED: If instructions or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE if
these deficiencies are mentioned in the notes. However, for more serious
deficiencies, the listing must be marked as INCOMPLETE, and for very serious
deficiencies, it must be listed as a custom item.
NEW: If instructions or box are missing, it is INCOMPLETE at best. It may not
even be able to be listed as INCOMPLETE if the essence of the set is missing
(all the minifigures in an IP set) or if only a small portion of the whole is
present (i.e. a single minifigure or a part).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 14:42 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | […]
USED: If instructions or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE if
these deficiencies are mentioned in the notes. However, for more serious
deficiencies, the listing must be marked as INCOMPLETE, and for very serious
deficiencies, it must be listed as a custom item.
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Well, I guess the problem is in the definition of “serious” and “very serious.”
And saying “it’s on a case by case basis” won’t help those who genuinely want
to know how to list their sets without risking infringing.
(OTOH, rhetorical “what if” will still pop up anyway.)
| | NEW: If instructions or box are missing, it is INCOMPLETE at best. It may not
even be able to be listed as INCOMPLETE if the essence of the set is missing
(all the minifigures in an IP set) or if only a small portion of the whole is
present (i.e. a single minifigure or a part).
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Wasn’t there a tolerance for new, not yet catalogued, minifigures, when only
the set entry exists (so, without an inventory yet)?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 14:52 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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BrickLink
ID CardAdmin_Russell
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| Location: USA, California |
| Member Since |
Contact |
Type |
Status |
| May 9, 2017 |
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Admin |
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| BrickLink Administrator |
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | […]
USED: If instructions or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE if
these deficiencies are mentioned in the notes. However, for more serious
deficiencies, the listing must be marked as INCOMPLETE, and for very serious
deficiencies, it must be listed as a custom item.
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Well, I guess the problem is in the definition of “serious” and “very serious.”
And saying “it’s on a case by case basis” won’t help those who genuinely want
to know how to list their sets without risking infringing.
(OTOH, rhetorical “what if” will still pop up anyway.)
| | NEW: If instructions or box are missing, it is INCOMPLETE at best. It may not
even be able to be listed as INCOMPLETE if the essence of the set is missing
(all the minifigures in an IP set) or if only a small portion of the whole is
present (i.e. a single minifigure or a part).
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Wasn’t there a tolerance for new, not yet catalogued, minifigures, when only
the set entry exists (so, without an inventory yet)?
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Yes, there was. But frankly, they should have always been listed in the Custom
section. People still use the Custom section extensively when trying to list
things early, so we know this is a viable option.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 16:06 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | […]
USED: If instructions or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE if
these deficiencies are mentioned in the notes. However, for more serious
deficiencies, the listing must be marked as INCOMPLETE, and for very serious
deficiencies, it must be listed as a custom item.
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Well, I guess the problem is in the definition of “serious” and “very serious.”
And saying “it’s on a case by case basis” won’t help those who genuinely want
to know how to list their sets without risking infringing.
(OTOH, rhetorical “what if” will still pop up anyway.)
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I would propose a more precise definition?
To be considered Complete:
* Box and eventual Instructions may be missing if clearly described in the Lot.
If not, to be considered Incomplete:
* Box and Instructions may be missing if clearly described in the Lot.
* All eventual Inventoried Minifigures and Gears should be present.
* All eventual sticker Sheets should be present.
* Other missing parts or items should represent a relatively minor value eg.
less than 10% of the total Average Price Guide Value of this parted out Set --
at the date of the lot upload/update.
If not, it should be listed as Custom Item.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 16:15 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
I would propose a more precise definition?
To be considered Complete:
* Box and eventual Instructions may be missing if clearly described in the Lot.
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So it’s for Used only?
| | If not, to be considered Incomplete:
* Box and Instructions may be missing if clearly described in the Lot.
* All eventual Inventoried Minifigures and Gears should be present.
* All eventual sticker Sheets should be present.
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… or, for Used, stickers applied, or a mix of applied stickers and (incomplete)
sticker sheets.
| | * Other missing parts or items should represent a relatively minor value eg.
less than 10% of the total Average Price Guide Value of this parted out Set --
at the date of the lot upload/update.
If not, it should be listed as Custom Item.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 16:19 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
I would propose a more precise definition?
To be considered Complete:
* Box and eventual Instructions may be missing if clearly described in the Lot.
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So it’s for Used only?
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Darn yes.
I'm Used to sell New only.
A bit confused too.
| | | | If not, to be considered Incomplete:
* Box and Instructions may be missing if clearly described in the Lot.
* All eventual Inventoried Minifigures and Gears should be present.
* All eventual sticker Sheets should be present.
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… or, for Used, stickers applied, or a mix of applied stickers and (incomplete)
sticker sheets.
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Thanks SylvainGPT.
Now I just miss the Nubs version: "Celebrate with pizza!!!"
But yes.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 16:41 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
Now I just miss the Nubs version: "Celebrate with pizza!!!"
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Celebrate with waffles!!! 🧇🧇🧇
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 16:55 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
I would propose a more precise definition?
To be considered Complete:
* Box and eventual Instructions may be missing if clearly described in the Lot.
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So it’s for Used only?
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Darn yes.
I'm Used to sell New only.
A bit confused too.
| | | | If not, to be considered Incomplete:
* Box and Instructions may be missing if clearly described in the Lot.
* All eventual Inventoried Minifigures and Gears should be present.
* All eventual sticker Sheets should be present.
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… or, for Used, stickers applied, or a mix of applied stickers and (incomplete)
sticker sheets.
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Thanks SylvainGPT.
Now I just miss the Nubs version: "Celebrate with pizza!!!"
But yes.
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Celebrate with pizza!!!"
copies direct from your message sill including the 1 "
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 17:06 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
| | Celebrate with pizza!!!"
copies direct from your message sill including the 1 "
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*silly?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Swatson217 | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 14:49 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| This whole thing is super confusing for sellers trying to do what is asked of
us. Parameters need to be clear, which they are not.
In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | | | The newsletter does not mention a change either in the policy or the enforcement
of the policy. Nothing has changed in that regard.
As a ball-park figure, if a listing has less than 80% of the complete set contents,
it shouldn't be listed as incomplete. Another rule of thumb - everything
essential to the character of the set must be present, so for example, the signature
printed tile in Architecture sets must be included to list the set as INcomplete.
The newsletter was highlighting the most common problem with incomplete listings,
of which most are in USED condition. New items have different rules. Sets missing
instructions or boxes do not need to be listed as incomplete if these deficiencies
are mentioned in the notes - for USED items. Items listed as NEW must contain
the original packaging and instructions.
|
What is meant by this statement from the newsletter? Our Item Condition
policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
|
USED: If instructions or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE if
these deficiencies are mentioned in the notes. However, for more serious
deficiencies, the listing must be marked as INCOMPLETE, and for very serious
deficiencies, it must be listed as a custom item.
NEW: If instructions or box are missing, it is INCOMPLETE at best. It may not
even be able to be listed as INCOMPLETE if the essence of the set is missing
(all the minifigures in an IP set) or if only a small portion of the whole is
present (i.e. a single minifigure or a part).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 15:08 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| | | USED: If instructions or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE if
these deficiencies are mentioned in the notes. However, for more serious
deficiencies, the listing must be marked as INCOMPLETE, and for very serious
deficiencies, it must be listed as a custom item.
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Will this page
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
be updated to reflect this new wording?
Currently it still indicates (for used incomplete sets)...
Every item for sale on BrickLink has a Condition which is assigned by the
seller.
:
Incomplete - Set is missing items. Description should state what exactly is missing.
As the seller assigns the condition, do they get to choose what the difference
between serious and very serious is?
Personally, I think rules should be precise so if an item is removed then it
is clear as to why.
So something along the lines of ...
USED: If instructions and/or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE
if this is mentioned in the notes. If any of the parts, including stickers, necessary
to build the main model and any supplementary models are missing then the listing
must be marked as incomplete. However, it must be listed as a custom item and
not an incomplete set if any of the following is true:
- It is missing more than 10% of the parts (or whatever is decided how much
can be missing)
- It is missing any of the essence of the set, including missing any of the
figures of an IP set, name tiles in architecture and similar sets, printed parts
unique to the set, etc.
Alternatively, it might be better to just remove the ability to list an incomplete
set. So if anything is missing and the set does not meet the definition of complete
(whether used complete or new complete) then it must be listed as a custom lot.
That way, there is no subjectivity when it comes to items being removed. And
probably less work for the helpdesk or whoever removes items reported.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Swatson217 | | Posted: | May 8, 2024 06:38 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | | | USED: If instructions or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE if
these deficiencies are mentioned in the notes. However, for more serious
deficiencies, the listing must be marked as INCOMPLETE, and for very serious
deficiencies, it must be listed as a custom item.
|
Will this page
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
be updated to reflect this new wording?
Currently it still indicates (for used incomplete sets)...
Every item for sale on BrickLink has a Condition which is assigned by the
seller.
:
Incomplete - Set is missing items. Description should state what exactly is missing.
As the seller assigns the condition, do they get to choose what the difference
between serious and very serious is?
Personally, I think rules should be precise so if an item is removed then it
is clear as to why.
So something along the lines of ...
USED: If instructions and/or box are missing, it is still considered COMPLETE
if this is mentioned in the notes. If any of the parts, including stickers, necessary
to build the main model and any supplementary models are missing then the listing
must be marked as incomplete. However, it must be listed as a custom item and
not an incomplete set if any of the following is true:
- It is missing more than 10% of the parts (or whatever is decided how much
can be missing)
- It is missing any of the essence of the set, including missing any of the
figures of an IP set, name tiles in architecture and similar sets, printed parts
unique to the set, etc.
Alternatively, it might be better to just remove the ability to list an incomplete
set. So if anything is missing and the set does not meet the definition of complete
(whether used complete or new complete) then it must be listed as a custom lot.
That way, there is no subjectivity when it comes to items being removed. And
probably less work for the helpdesk or whoever removes items reported.
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👆👆👆👆👆👆
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 8, 2024 06:41 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| If it were up to me, I would say Incomplete Sets must contain a detail and accurate
description of what is incomplete about it and then leave it at that. The price
guide for incomplete sets is not and never will be a useful statistic anyway.
There is no saving it. Don't even show a price guide for that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | May 8, 2024 07:45 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, axaday writes:
| | If it were up to me, I would say Incomplete Sets must contain a detail and accurate
description of what is incomplete about it and then leave it at that. The price
guide for incomplete sets is not and never will be a useful statistic anyway.
There is no saving it. Don't even show a price guide for that.
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Well, I still like seeing the Price Guide but I agree that the whole point
of having an option for listing Incomplete sets is so we can, you know, list
sets that are missing pieces. Some, most, a majority, very many, a percentage...
are a whole bunch of subjective descriptors. Without well-published and easy-to-find
AND understand guidelines and no efficient method for enforcement, BrickLink
needs to let this go.
I understand their intentions for telling us to use the Custom Item listing,
but it's just not reasonable or practical.
On a personal note, I think being able to shop for sets sold without minifigs
or accessories is convenient and a good way to get parts at a relative discount.
I used to buy these listings and part them out for a decent profit.
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | edk | | Posted: | May 8, 2024 08:18 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, jennnifer writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, axaday writes:
| | If it were up to me, I would say Incomplete Sets must contain a detail and accurate
description of what is incomplete about it and then leave it at that. The price
guide for incomplete sets is not and never will be a useful statistic anyway.
There is no saving it. Don't even show a price guide for that.
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Well, I still like seeing the Price Guide but I agree that the whole point
of having an option for listing Incomplete sets is so we can, you know, list
sets that are missing pieces. Some, most, a majority, very many, a percentage...
are a whole bunch of subjective descriptors. Without well-published and easy-to-find
AND understand guidelines and no efficient method for enforcement, BrickLink
needs to let this go.
I understand their intentions for telling us to use the Custom Item listing,
but it's just not reasonable or practical.
On a personal note, I think being able to shop for sets sold without minifigs
or accessories is convenient and a good way to get parts at a relative discount.
I used to buy these listings and part them out for a decent profit.
~Jen
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I, quite often will list incomplete sets. Not ones missing mini-figs. If the
figs are missing I part out the set. On occasion a part (or a few) are missing,
stickered part or stickers are missing. These I will list as Incomplete, detail
what is missing and put the missing parts on my WL. Sometimes they sell before
I acquire the part(s) but usually I end up completing the set.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 8, 2024 07:45 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, axaday writes:
| | If it were up to me, I would say Incomplete Sets must contain a detail and accurate
description of what is incomplete about it and then leave it at that. The price
guide for incomplete sets is not and never will be a useful statistic anyway.
There is no saving it. Don't even show a price guide for that.
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It is particularly annoying if items are removed by admins for being incorrectly
listed, especially if they are not incorrectly listed. They cannot be reinstated
if removed, all the work listing what is missing is lost, and the seller has
to do that again. Hence the need for very clear guidelines. If removals become
subjective rather than objective, all that work is lost each time they decide
to remove a listed item, whether it is incorrectly removed or not.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | May 8, 2024 08:33 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, axaday writes:
| | If it were up to me, I would say Incomplete Sets must contain a detail and accurate
description of what is incomplete about it and then leave it at that. The price
guide for incomplete sets is not and never will be a useful statistic anyway.
There is no saving it. Don't even show a price guide for that.
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It is particularly annoying if items are removed by admins for being incorrectly
listed, especially if they are not incorrectly listed. They cannot be reinstated
if removed, all the work listing what is missing is lost, and the seller has
to do that again. Hence the need for very clear guidelines. If removals become
subjective rather than objective, all that work is lost each time they decide
to remove a listed item, whether it is incorrectly removed or not.
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Yes, in every case I can think of it would be better for the site to "stockroom"
a bad listing and send an explanation rather than simply delete it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | May 8, 2024 09:13 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, axaday writes:
| | If it were up to me, I would say Incomplete Sets must contain a detail and accurate
description of what is incomplete about it and then leave it at that. The price
guide for incomplete sets is not and never will be a useful statistic anyway.
There is no saving it. Don't even show a price guide for that.
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The Share Wanted List function could also be enabled so that a seller could share
a wanted list of the missing pieces for the incomplete set. The buyer could then
see what's
missing and/or price it out.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1468324
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 04:59 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 05:12 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Items listed as NEW must contain the original packaging and instructions.
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When it comes to NEW incomplete sets it is much easier for Bricklink to be more
specific about exactly what must be included since the seller has ALL parts to
hand at the point of splitting the set
Personally I think the minifigures and their associated weapons/accessories should
be the only valid items to split from a sealed set along with any other animal,
creature, robot that has its own catalog entry. Whether the sellers chooses to
include some of these items in their incomplete set should be at sellers discretion
and can be mentioned in the notes but I don't believe any parts integral
to the
actual build should ever be split and listed as incomplete and I would go as
far as saying that there should never be a valid reason to have an Architecture
set for example listed as new incomplete
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| | | | | Author: | jonwil | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 20:11 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| At what point does it stop counting as an "incomplete" set?
For example if someone listed a as "incomplete, missing the
green roof part" is that still valid as an "incomplete" set? (even
though its missing the only part that makes the set unique)
Or if someone listed a as "incomplete, missing Boba Fett"
(but with all the other minifigs and parts), is that still valid as an "incomplete"
set?
Or if someone listed a as "incomplete, missing dark red
car and criminal minifig", is that still valid as an "incomplete"
set?
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| | | | | Author: | UTLF | | Posted: | May 6, 2024 20:28 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| Custom lots have the worst visibility, you might as well just part out the incomplete
set or throw it up on ebay
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| | | | | Author: | BrickDeals | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 04:02 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot. What is an incomplete set. It says this policy change (?) is to keep the
price guide precise for sellers, but what are you comparing when looking at incomplete
sets?
If a set has 10 minifigures, and is missing 1, is it an incomplete set? What
about 5, or 9. According to the official statement missing all 10 is not an incomplete
set but a custom lot. So where is tge critical point?
Same with parts, how much can be missing and still be an incomplete set? And
if someone else has sold an incomplete set, how do I know how complete/incomplete
it was?
This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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I had a NEW set sealed in original polybags with instructions, just missing the
original box, and it got pulled. And yet USED complete can be listed without
the box.
I don't know why a set can't be listed as complete if it is only missing
the box or even the instructions.
The box is not necessary to the set, and the instructions can be downloaded directly
from LEGO.
How exactly does NEW complete differ from NEW sealed? The tape is broken?
This becomes a problem when seller wants to sell sets without boxes for more
efficient shipping.
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| | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | May 7, 2024 10:10 | | Subject: | Re: What is an incomplete set? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Terms and Policies | |
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| "How exactly does NEW complete differ from NEW sealed? The tape is broken?"
Sealed - Set is brand new, with unopened factory seals intact, all inner bags
and contents presumably sealed, intact, complete and untampered with as shipped
by the manufacturer. The seller cannot guarantee that a sealed set is complete.
Complete - Contents are brand new and may have been removed from their plastic
bags and handled for inventorying purposes only. Includes all contents that originally
came with set including extra parts, stickers, instructions (if any) and original
box/packaging.
Incomplete - Contents are brand new but may have been removed from plastic bags
for inventory purposes or to remove other contents from the set. The set is missing
some of the contents, instructions or original box/packaging. The description
should clearly state what exactly is missing.
In Terms and Policies, BrickDeals writes:
| | In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
| | This comes from the May newsletter. I am now totally confused.
Listing incomplete sets
Let's talk about incomplete listings! Our Item Condition policy only allows
certain parts of a set to be missing, such as instructions or original packaging,
to qualify it as Incomplete.
When you list sets that are missing minifigures or just the minifigures from
a set, they should not be listed as an incomplete set. They are qualified as
'Custom items'. The process for listing them is the same, except that
you should check the 'Custom item' check box, as shown below.
Listing items as 'Custom' not only helps buyers in their search for specific
items, but it also helps keep our price guide more precise for sellers.
OK, so it seems if you remove the minifigures from a set, or sell part of a set,
that set can no longer be listed as incomplete but has to be listed as a custom
lot. What is an incomplete set. It says this policy change (?) is to keep the
price guide precise for sellers, but what are you comparing when looking at incomplete
sets?
If a set has 10 minifigures, and is missing 1, is it an incomplete set? What
about 5, or 9. According to the official statement missing all 10 is not an incomplete
set but a custom lot. So where is tge critical point?
Same with parts, how much can be missing and still be an incomplete set? And
if someone else has sold an incomplete set, how do I know how complete/incomplete
it was?
This seems to be a huge policy change, especially the part that an incomplete
set can only be missing the box and instructions. That was previously allowed
under the definition of a used but complete set, and my understanding was that
a used set could be complete if it was missing just the box and/or instructions,
but a seller should add comments to say these were missing.
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I had a NEW set sealed in original polybags with instructions, just missing the
original box, and it got pulled. And yet USED complete can be listed without
the box.
I don't know why a set can't be listed as complete if it is only missing
the box or even the instructions.
The box is not necessary to the set, and the instructions can be downloaded directly
from LEGO.
How exactly does NEW complete differ from NEW sealed? The tape is broken?
This becomes a problem when seller wants to sell sets without boxes for more
efficient shipping.
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